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Old 05-25-11, 09:28 AM   #1
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Help Please to ID a Lugless Steel Frame Bike

Hopefully someone can shed some light on what this may be?

There's no transfers, and as far as I can tell no frame number. I've looked in the usual places, inside and outside of the drop outs, under the bb, there doesn't seem to be any number.

It does have a really nice paint finish , which seems original and most of the components seem original. It has Weinmann 700c Alloy rims with Mallard hubs, Mafac centre pull breaks and levers, 27mm seat post, or maybe 26.8mm, Atax Professional Handlebars, Shimano shifters, Shimano 50 FD and a Simplex RD, this looks like a replacement. There's a braze on cable guide for the RD but for some reason a bolt on has been added running the cable to the RD.

It needs stripping and rebuilding, but it seems like a good frame, its also pretty light compared with some of the Reynolds 531s I've had.

Not sure if there's anything else you might need to know to help try and ID it, but I can answer anything that comes up. The bike's in the UK if that narrows it down any.

Thanks for any help
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Old 05-25-11, 09:37 AM   #2
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I don't see any rings or anything on the BB shell so I am going to guess Viscount?



perhaps someone changed the cable routing from over the BB with a ST guide clamp to under the BB

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Do I see an aluminum fork?

I like BG's suggestion: Viscount.

The forged rear dropout without a derailleur hanger is also a Viscounty feature.
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Thanks Bianchigirll, you're right, there are no rings on the bb, I'm off to google Viscount
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Yeah, Viscount or Lambert.
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2 nods to a Viscount already Yes alloy forks, I forgot to mention the steel seems very thin down the seat stem, compared to say a 531 steel frame.
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A bit of research on Viscount/Lambert and it seems like the alloy 'death forks' might be a problem! Also, the BB sounds difficult to remove and prone to failure. On quick inspection, it doesn't look or feel that great.
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That BB would trouble me too. No visible rings/cups suggests the original BB is still in there, with its pressed in sealed bearings. That's not all bad. But the spindle isn't tapered. So, how did they get that (Nervar?) crank on there? I mean... I'm not above filing an oddball Lambert crank to fit on a tapered spindle, but jamming a nice tapered crank onto the funky Viscount spindle, that doesn't sound like such a good idea to me.
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ne you get an idea of how they work those BBs are not too bad. I never owned one but worked on a few. Chance, Merlin and few other used them back in the '80s.

there is a few threads here about working on them. and of course I can't find the one I am looking for
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Do I see an aluminum fork?

I like BG's suggestion: Viscount.

The forged rear dropout without a derailleur hanger is also a Viscounty feature.
Looks like a death fork to me...

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Thanks for the help, I'll report back on what I find when I get the 'death' forks removed, and the state of the BB!
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