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Old 05-27-11, 03:41 PM   #1
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Schwin Super Sport 1972 vs 1983 Which is the right buy?

Both are in good shape, both around the same price. I know the 72' is the fillet brazed frame. I've done some research however am not sure what the differences are or why I would want to go with one over another.

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Old 05-27-11, 04:41 PM   #2
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http://www.bikecatalogs.org/SCHWINN/...r%20Sport.html

I'd go with the '83 for sure if it fits you. The filet brazed ones are quaint and have a following, but the '83 is a nice lugged Panasonic-built frame with quality components (assuming it's stock).
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Really it is dependent upon whether you want an older bike or a slightly newer bike and whether you prefer lugs or not. I agree with due ruote in that, it is a nicely-built lugged frame. It is the one I'd pick. But do you want an older bike for the nostalgia aspect?

If it is intended to be ridden frequently, the '83, no question.
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1983 for sure. just bought a 1981. it is sweet.
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For a rider, no question, the 1983 will be a much better bike. For something cool looking, with the great old Schwinn decals and so on, then the 1972 is the best choice.
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I was daydreaming the other day about the 1983 Superior. It has in my opinion the second coolest font Schwinn used, the "art deco" style.
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And if there's any reason for purchasing a bike, its the typeface the decals are in.
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Given that choice and assuming both are in pretty much the same condition and priced similarly, I'd go with the '83.

The '72 frame is straight gauge while the '83 is double butted (both are chromoly), and the '72 has a heavy one-piece Ashtabula crank while the '83 has an alloy 3-piece crank and generally lighter, smoother action components.
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Another vote for the 1983. If that '72 were a Superior, it would be a different story. As the Super Sport changed greatly over the years, it can be said that the earlier ones were definitely "lower end" than the later ones. It amazes me that the same name was used for straight-gauge recreational riders and full Shimano 600 lugged Columbus race bikes.

Got any pictures of either of them?

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Old 05-28-11, 07:24 AM   #10
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Collin the only disagreement I would have with you is the earlier filet brazed SSs were nicer bikes than the later filet brazed ones. One example would be the pre 1970 bikes had forged drop outs while the later ones had stamped drop outs the same as a Varsity. Another example is the going from down tube shifters on the early bikes to the Varsity head tube shifters on the later bikes. I have 5 SSs. A 1966, 1970, and 3 1973s and the first two are the better bikes. One of the 1973s is missing in the photos and the 1973s are the orange bikes the only year that color was made. Roger
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I would agree the 1983 Super Sport would be a better choice if you want to just tune up and ride. My recommendation is to purchase them both if it is affordable. The fillet brazed Schwinns are very well made bicycles and have a wonderful ride quality, very smooth and stable. They can be transformed by removing the heavy steel kickstand and replacing the one piece steel "Ashtabula" crank with an alloy 3 piece crankset and a Truvativ bottom bracket adaptor. My 73 Super Sport weighs 27 lbs 15ox with a Brooks Flyer sadlle. My 86 Schwinn Peloton(claimed to be 2 lbs lighter than an 80's Super Sport) weighs 23 lbs 9 oz with a Brooks Pro. I enjoy riding my 73 SS equally as much as the Peloton which delivers a racier ride. It is the difference between a Cadillac and a Corvette.

Check out what Shedon Brown says about the fillet brazed Schwinns:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/schwinn-braze.html

I would recommend that you search the CV forum for everything written about the Schwinn Super Sport. Scooper and Pastorbob have magnificent examples with modern components. Here is the link to Scooper's 73 Super Sport build:
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ht=Super+Sport
I bought a 73 Super Sport new and restored it over the last 2 years. Here is a link to My Super Sport Build:
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Old 05-28-11, 01:14 PM   #12
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This is my other 1973 SS. $16 BMX 3 piece bottom bracket, $10 frame/fork from a swap meet, $5 cables from Walmart and junk from the basement. Very nice riding bike for less than $50 and a bit under 30 pounds with the steel kick stand on it. Roger
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+1 the '83 if you just want a nice lightweight bike without a lot of messing around.
I have 2 early 70's Super Sport's. They are definitely cooler and I really like them, but to covert them to all-alloy components costs some money and is a real project, and you're still left with a relatively heavy bike.
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I also vote for the 83 if you can have only 1, I've had an 81(also Panasonic made), it may have been the most comfortable road bike I've owned, and still fast enough to keep up with newer bikes. I also had a 72, while they are an incredibly smooth bike, they are much heavier and slower than the later Panasonic built SS. It would be nice to have both.
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I have a 70' SS that I found in my uncle's barn. It was fixed up some time in the 80's and they did a bad job. I plan on redoing it with full modern stuff. The bike is much rougher than anyone else's I see on here. Over 25 years in a leaky old barn deep in the NC mountians does terrible things to old Schwinns. For classic, I say get the 72 and update it. Old filet frames do make the best resto-mods out there next to old European makers. The Panasonic frames are better to me if all you wanna do is clean tune and ride. Either way you will be owning an icon of American cycling!!
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Thanks for all of the replies I appreciate everyone's input. I went with the '83 based on everyones feedback because I do intend to ride it, and I liked it to ride well now (which it does). I am going to email the guy again on the 72, might go ahead and pick it up based on pictures in the quote below.

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I bought a 73 Super Sport new and restored it over the last 2 years. Here is a link to My Super Sport Build:
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Yes, get them both!
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Thanks for all of the replies I appreciate everyone's input. I went with the '83 based on everyones feedback because I do intend to ride it, and I liked it to ride well now (which it does). I am going to email the guy again on the 72, might go ahead and pick it up based on pictures in the quote below.
Cool. Got a picture? That's more or less mandatory around here...
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Took this before it went home with me. For now I have a spare saddle and some basic platforms on it, however will be going brooks and getting some nicer pedals at some point.
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The early Super Sports were a step up from the Continental, but they were still built with boys and girls, not men and women in mind.
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The early Super Sports were a step up from the Continental, but they were still built with boys and girls, not men and women in mind.
Grand Bois, Please expand on your thought. I don't understand your thinking here.
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They were overweight and equipped with low end components, but they were built tough enough to stand up to the abuse of teens and pre-teens and that's who they were marketed to. A bike like that has no more appeal for me than those silly wheelie bikes they sold in the seventies. I don't mean to offend anybody, but that's how I fell about them.
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They were overweight and equipped with low end components, but they were built tough enough to stand up to the abuse of teens and pre-teens and that's who they were marketed to. A bike like that has no more appeal for me than those silly wheelie bikes they sold in the seventies. I don't mean to offend anybody, but that's how I fell about them.
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Thanks for sharing your feelings. Certainly no offense is taken. I am sorry that you find no appeal in the fillet brazed Schwinns. I feel that I should say why I disagree with some of your assertions.

I concede that the Super Sport was a little overweight as delivered by Schwinn. It was a very well built bicycle that had a high level of workmanship. They were built to last a lifetime and were guaranteed to do so.Check out what it costs to get a fillet brazed bicyle today. I rode mine for thousands of miles of daily commuting through high school, college, and the my brother rode it through his 4 years of college. They had a wonderfully smooth and stable ride that I find just as pleasurable as my Peloton or Davidson. Another heavy bicycle with a wonderful ride is the Raleigh Sports. It is justifiably much revered in CV circles.

While I bought my Super Sport while a teenager, I would be very surprised if anyone could show period evidence, like advertising or catalogs where Schwinn marketed them to children or teenagers. I believe that Schwinn regarded the fillet brazed bikes as made for the adult market. I bought mine because I thought it was the best bicycle I could afford that was available in San Angelo, Texas at the time. I was well aware of the Paramounts, but could not come close to affording one.

Super Sports were equipped with aluminum rims, handlebars, stem,brakes, and hubs. They had quick release skewers. My Huret derailleur always shifted perfectly with little maintenance. They even came standard with a Brooks leather saddle. Hardly low end components. The Compare this equipment with the steel rims of Raleigh Grand Prix's and Peugeot UO8s. The heavy Ashtabula cranks were a little anachronistic, but no more so than steel cottered cranks that were still available at this time.

My suggestion that the OP consider also purchasing the 72 Super Sport was how the Super Sport could easily be transformed by changing the crankset and losing the steel kickstand. When this is done they are very comparable in weight to popular touring models of the 80's.
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They were overweight and equipped with low end components, but they were built tough enough to stand up to the abuse of teens and pre-teens and that's who they were marketed to. A bike like that has no more appeal for me than those silly wheelie bikes they sold in the seventies. I don't mean to offend anybody, but that's how I fell about them.
That's pretty much how I feel about most all Schwinns too. That's why you never see my post in Schwinn threads. They made some good, tough bikes. Just not the kind of bikes I'm interested in. They're a great teenager/college campus beater bike.
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That's pretty much how I feel about most all Schwinns too. That's why you never see my post in Schwinn threads. They made some good, tough bikes. Just not the kind of bikes I'm interested in. They're a great teenager/college campus beater bike.
Can you link some good examples of what you are into? Just curious...

I've recently fallen in love with Mercian, how do you feel about those?
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