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Old 05-28-11, 02:13 AM   #1
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new 700c 36h road rims w/o graphics?

hi, folks. i'm looking for two new (or like-new) rims. they should be vintage looking with little graphics that can take a lot of miles around the puget sound area.

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- '75 motobecane grand record (58cm)
- 700c x 23 tires (i like 'em narrow.)
- 36h campy hubs
- light touring only on pavement/paved trails
- an off-center rear rim would be a plus
- for a 160 lb, lower middle class hominid

it's been a difficult search so far...
- i've read some not-too-kind things about the velocity aerohead.
- someone recommend the velocity synergy, but it seems too wide.
- the mavic open pro/sport looks cluttered with graphics.
- i was told the narrow v.o. rims are out of stock

many thanks for the input. i'm diggin' all your posts...

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Old 05-28-11, 03:15 AM   #2
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Might look at VeloOrange
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I wouldn't believe everything you read about the Aeroheads.

I use those with great results, and I find them to be durable.

I have a friend that has used these for cyclocross racing the last three seasons.

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Sun M13 has the look you want.
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V-O and Grand Bois (from CompassCycle.com) rims are probably what you want; Sun may be what you can live with and afford. If you want to spring for the Grand Bois rims (double-eyeletted, as opposed to the other choices), and would like to get the 4-fer discount ($5 per rim), then PM me. I have a pair of Velocity Synergy rims in constant service, and I'm quite happy with them, too -- they're 23 mm wide (as opposed to 19 for vintage narrow-tire rims). I wouldn't hesitate to use them on tires as narrow as 28 mm.
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I just put the Sun CR 18s on my Hetchins. they are not exactly vintage looking, they have a little raised area in the middle. however for $25 ea versus $50 ea for some others I am very happy with them
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Based on the rims you listed there it appears you don't care if the rims have the correct look for a vintage 1975 bike. The only rims in the list you have there that I personally would use that would work with 23mm tires are the Velo-Orange PBP rims. I see nothing indicating they are out of stock. Even if they were I would wait until they were back in stock. None of the others would look at all appropriate on that bike. The Grand Grand Bois and V-O RAID are too wide for 23mm tires.

http://store.velo-orange.com/index.p...700c-rims.html


Edit: Add the Sun M13II (if you can still get the polished finish) to the list. The H Plus Son TB14 at 23mm seems a bit wide, more like the Grand Grand Bois and V-O RAID but still very nice rims. I don't think I'd put less than a true 25mm tire on a 23mm rim and since it's hard to predict exactly how wide the tire will measure the safe bet would be to go with a 28mm in case it runs narrow which sort of defeats the purpose of narrow rims and tire at that point.
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The Aerohead OC are fantastic rims. I pummel the hell out of mine, with zero issue. FWIW - 32h 3x.

You want a great modern rim without graphics? Buy some DT Swiss RR1.1's and peel the (minimal) stickers off. Also, don't dismiss the Mavic OP - those stickers come off pretty easily, and they are outstanding rims.

Just out of curiosity - 36h seem over-kill for a 160lb rider..... unless you already have the hubs?
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I have 32h Mavic Open Pros on an old Peugeot. They have been through the beat up streets of Seattle a few times. I have no problems with them. Mine only have one sticker that is about five inches long. It would come off easily if I decided to 86 it.


There are some new rims out that I would like to try. They have a nice clean look and can be had polished,grey, or black. The price is not the cheapest, but IMO they look nicer than some of the other options out there. H Plus Son TB14



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I use CR18 on 3 bikes now. One sticker that coule easiy be removed with a heat gun and a little solvent. NO complaint out of the durability. The polished would have more of a vintage apeal and I have them on one of the bikes. These are for wider tires (22mm wide rim) and more of a 28mm up tire size all though I have put 25's on one.
VO rims seem to be getting good reveiws and they have a small understated sticker like the old Araya Red lables. The Raids look very interesting and I will probably put them on my Porteur/contructeur since I like 28-32's. http://store.velo-orange.com/index.p...-rim-700c.html
The BPD's would be more to the OP's liking for narrow tires,
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.p...700c-rims.html

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anyone ever try the nashbar special? they're not 36H, but seem alright for $30. I only ask because I was considering these to replace my warped front wheel

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product...0_10000_202455
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Sun M13 has the look you want.
+1, Sun M13II looks vintage, can be had in polished or unpolished and is pretty cheap to boot.
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+1, Sun M13II looks vintage, can be had in polished or unpolished and is pretty cheap to boot.
Can you still get them polished? When I was looking at rims a couple of years back they had discontinued the polished version. Those are very nice rims.
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thanks

so many replies -- many thanks. seems i have a little research to do.
bigboss, yeah, the 36h hubs were original to this mb grand record (i think). they polished up so beautifully.
cheers, all.

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I have 32h Mavic Open Pros on an old Peugeot. They have been through the beat up streets of Seattle a few times. I have no problems with them. Mine only have one sticker that is about five inches long. It would come off easily if I decided to 86 it.


There are some new rims out that I would like to try. They have a nice clean look and can be had polished,grey, or black. The price is not the cheapest, but IMO they look nicer than some of the other options out there. H Plus Son TB14

Oh these are very nice. I've never heard of H Plus Son.
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I've never heard of H Plus Son either, and the shop that claims to be the sole US distributor (where are they made?) is in Brooklyn. Look like a wider version of the Mavic G40 to me: double-eyeletted (which I like) in either polished aluminum (thus prob not anodized) and gray anodized. Like the G40, no machining of the sidewalls, as on the Velocity rims (which I also like, but Velocity's rims are single-eyeletted).

Both the blurb for the TB14, and Velocity's promo for their P35 rim (much wider) make the argument that using a rim as wide as the tire makes for a better profile, and a ride more like a tubular. Maybe that's something to try out. Perhaps it's just rose-colored nostalgia, but I remember riding narrow Specialized Turbo or Avocet slicks on the 19 mm G40s, with great fondness. I ride wider tires now, but I don't seem to have found anything that felt that good since (though I didn't like the feel of 110 PSI tires on a poorly maintained road, fer shure).

I really like the O/C idea that Velocity has going, where the rear rim has offset holes to lessen dish. I bought a pair of the Aeroheads for a bike project for my spouse, and had them laced to 7-speed hubs, and there's practically no dish with a Hyperglide freehub. But I'm not a great fan of the house-shaped profile they have, from a vintage perspective.

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i haven't had problems removing the stickers on mavic rims so far (well, besides knowing i just killed the resale value)
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Both the blurb for the TB14, and Velocity's promo for their P35 rim (much wider) make the argument that using a rim as wide as the tire makes for a better profile, and a ride more like a tubular. Maybe that's something to try out.
That is generally true with cars and motorcycles so I can't really see why it wouldn't be true with bicycles but...it just doesn't look right. When I was first setting up the Bottecchia Grand Turismo with clinchers I picked up a set of Avocet 700x25C tires. The rims are Rigida AL1622's, 22mm wide. The Avocets actually measure 22mm. It just didn't look right at all and I was reluctant to try it. I returned them and got a set of Panaracer Pasela TG's in 700x28C. I also ran a pair of Nashbar 27x1's on a set of Weinmann 27" rims that measure 23mm on the Peugeot. The Nashbars also measured out at 22mm and while I rode it and nothing bad happened, I still didn't like the way it looked and I had to really watch the tire pressure because they had very little room between the surface of the tire and the rim. I switched the Nashbars to the Motobecane on AL1320 (20mm) rims and they look right at home.
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Can you still get them polished? When I was looking at rims a couple of years back they had discontinued the polished version. Those are very nice rims.
Niagara had them in polished just a few months ago. Yep just checked. Still have them in polished in both 32 and 36 hole. $26 each.
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