Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Adventures in Chainguard Mounting

Search
Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Adventures in Chainguard Mounting

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-27-11, 02:44 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
katezila's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 216

Bikes: 1973 Schwinn Collegiate, 1983 Fuji Royale II Mixte

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Adventures in Chainguard Mounting

I've been unusually busy lately so bicycles got put to the side while I was neck deep in work and planning for Boston.
But I found the time this weekend to do this:







Considering I honestly did not expect this to work on my first try, I'm pretty happy, even though it's a bit of a sloppy looking fit. I think I might take a second stab this next weekend when I'm painting the guard.
katezila is offline  
Old 06-27-11, 02:47 PM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 17,156
Mentioned: 481 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3810 Post(s)
Liked 6,690 Times in 2,610 Posts
Looks great! Nice work, Kate.

Neal
nlerner is offline  
Old 06-27-11, 03:05 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
southpawboston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Somerville, MA and Catskill Mtns
Posts: 4,134
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 78 Post(s)
Liked 182 Times in 89 Posts
Nicely done! How about some full profile shots of the bike?!
southpawboston is offline  
Old 06-27-11, 03:18 PM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
Iowegian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Boulder, Colo
Posts: 1,801
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 101 Post(s)
Liked 14 Times in 12 Posts
Super work. Thanks for sharing the photos. I'm probably going to have to do the same thing for one of my bikes and this is a huge help.
Iowegian is offline  
Old 06-27-11, 03:40 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
southpawboston's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Somerville, MA and Catskill Mtns
Posts: 4,134
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 78 Post(s)
Liked 182 Times in 89 Posts
This looks more rigid than the rod/clamp/drawbolt setup that VO sells for attaching chain guards.
southpawboston is offline  
Old 06-27-11, 03:43 PM
  #6  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
katezila's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 216

Bikes: 1973 Schwinn Collegiate, 1983 Fuji Royale II Mixte

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by nlerner
Looks great! Nice work, Kate.

Neal
Thanks! Hey it's getting close to July, do you still think I might be able to borrow that Raleigh?

Originally Posted by southpawboston
Nicely done! How about some full profile shots of the bike?!
It's not the prettiest shot, I was going to wait till I'd painted it and ride out to the docks for the "full reveal". But since you asked, haha.


Originally Posted by Iowegian
Super work. Thanks for sharing the photos. I'm probably going to have to do the same thing for one of my bikes and this is a huge help.
Good I'm glad! I did a lot of scouring the net before I made these and I was pretty disappointed I couldn't find a lot of images or resources.
katezila is offline  
Old 06-27-11, 03:43 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
auchencrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Detroit
Posts: 10,303
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 42 Times in 33 Posts
I'm impressed!
__________________
- Auchen
auchencrow is offline  
Old 06-27-11, 03:49 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
katezila's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 216

Bikes: 1973 Schwinn Collegiate, 1983 Fuji Royale II Mixte

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by southpawboston
This looks more rigid than the rod/clamp/drawbolt setup that VO sells for attaching chain guards.
VO sells that? I was going to try to fabricate that but I got stuck with how to flatten and widen the rod to drill a hole through.

I don't know that this is more ridged. It's pliable aluminum. I sort of pushed it around into place a lot when I assembled it and I'm not certain it will stay yet. These brackets are a bit too long, so the crank arm is only clearing by millimeters. I'll have to fabricate a new set at some point.
katezila is offline  
Old 06-27-11, 04:01 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
clasher's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Kitchener, ON
Posts: 2,737
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 229 Post(s)
Liked 148 Times in 103 Posts
Great work. I might try and use stainless flat bar when I get around to mounting mine. I had planned to start with some front derailleur ataptors but using more than one gets pricey, and one is still left making something to go from the adaptor to the chaincase/guard so might as well just make it all from scratch. Thanks for posting this and that's a sweet looking bike as is.
clasher is offline  
Old 06-27-11, 05:30 PM
  #10  
Photographer
 
ScottRyder's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: The other Cape, Cape Ann
Posts: 3,116
Mentioned: 27 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 105 Post(s)
Liked 98 Times in 53 Posts
One of my favorite bikes on C&V.

Scott
__________________
ClassicFuji.posthaven.com.archive

IG @scottryder.surf.cycle
IG @scottryder.fine.art
























ScottRyder is offline  
Old 06-27-11, 05:57 PM
  #11  
rhm
multimodal commuter
 
rhm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NJ, NYC, LI
Posts: 19,808

Bikes: 1940s Fothergill, 1959 Allegro Special, 1963? Claud Butler Olympic Sprint, Lambert 'Clubman', 1974 Fuji "the Ace", 1976 Holdsworth 650b conversion rando bike, 1983 Trek 720 tourer, 1984 Counterpoint Opus II, 1993 Basso Gap, 2010 Downtube 8h, and...

Mentioned: 584 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1908 Post(s)
Liked 574 Times in 339 Posts
Good job! When you say "clearing by just a few mm" bear in mind the only important word is "clearing." As long as it's clearing, it's clearing. If you have it where you want it, it will in all likelihood stay there.
rhm is offline  
Old 06-27-11, 06:01 PM
  #12  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,929
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by katezila
I don't know that this is more ridged. It's pliable aluminum. I sort of pushed it around into place a lot when I assembled it and I'm not certain it will stay yet. These brackets are a bit too long, so the crank arm is only clearing by millimeters. I'll have to fabricate a new set at some point.

I think this will be a problem for you when you use the bike, so be ready for it. Professionally made bracketry is usually stiff, either from having out of plane stiffening formed into it during stamping or from being made from thick, stiff material.

Because you are fabricating a one-of bracket (like I also need to do), you can either bend the edges up to create stiffeners or you can secondarily bond stiffeners onto your flat-pattern bracket (use epoxy for adequate strength and weather resistance). After fabricating the bracketry, you can spray paint everything to match the frame.

Can you shoot and post a shot of the mounting brackets taken froom the non-drive side, please? I'd like to see the overall effect. The guard hides the brackets ell from the viewing angles the phtotos were taken from. I'd like to see it from the other directions.

In thinking about my own bracketry design, I was going to attach the front bracket by cutting a large diameter hole and capturing the sheet metal bracket between the bottom bracket's fixed cup and the frame, rather than using a band clamp around the seat tube as you've done. There's lots of ways to do things.

Thanks for the great pics.

Last edited by Mike Mills; 06-27-11 at 06:07 PM.
Mike Mills is offline  
Old 06-27-11, 06:08 PM
  #13  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,929
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by rhm
Good job! When you say "clearing by just a few mm" bear in mind the only important word is "clearing." As long as it's clearing, it's clearing. If you have it where you want it, it will in all likelihood stay there.
Unless and until you bump it with your foot. Then it will rub. Soft aluminum does not spring back.
Mike Mills is offline  
Old 06-27-11, 06:11 PM
  #14  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,929
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
More tips -

For a really finished appearance, trim your mounting screws flush with the end of the lock nuts. The protruding threads will not be visible (cleaner appearance).

Design the brackets so the mounting hardware is underneath the tube rather than on its top side. It'll be less visible underneath.

Consider using smaller hardware (nuts & bolts). Even a #4 hardware would have plenty of strength but it is a lot smaller and the bands can be made correspondingly smaller, etc.

When you custom design, you are in total control. It's great!

Last edited by Mike Mills; 06-28-11 at 01:20 AM.
Mike Mills is offline  
Old 06-27-11, 07:50 PM
  #15  
holyrollin'
 
FlatTop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: L.B.N.J.U.S.A.
Posts: 1,324

Bikes: Raleigh, Rudge, James 3spds., and a cast of many

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by Mike Mills
I think this will be a problem for you when you use the bike, so be ready for it. Professionally made bracketry is usually stiff, either from having out of plane stiffening formed into it during stamping or from being made from thick, stiff material.

Because you are fabricating a one-of bracket (like I also need to do), you can either bend the edges up to create stiffeners or you can secondarily bond stiffeners onto your flat-pattern bracket (use epoxy for adequate strength and weather resistance).
I especially liked this bit of your post, thought-provoking stuff for makers of one-off hardware and brackets. Two other possibilities for adding stiffness to brackets might be adding a twist of up to 90 degrees or using a bead roller to put a stiffening rib into the flat stock before forming the bracket.

And OP, that is a seriously beautiful bike. Well done!
FlatTop is offline  
Old 06-28-11, 12:30 AM
  #16  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,929
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
A seriously awesome shade of blue.
Mike Mills is offline  
Old 06-28-11, 12:44 AM
  #17  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
katezila's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 216

Bikes: 1973 Schwinn Collegiate, 1983 Fuji Royale II Mixte

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Wow thank you for all the tips Mike. Trimming the screws is something I'll hopefully do eventually. I'll definitely have the two arm bracket bolt underneath next time. I'm with limited tools here so I don't know how much more I can do. There's a reason I used tin snips instead of a jeweler saw, haha. How do you bend the edges up?

I haven't been able to truly test it's stability until the single stack bolts for the chainwheel come in. Once I have those I'll be able to give it a good ride and see how much knocking about I end up doing.

And thanks everyone for the complements on the bike. The paint color is one of my favorite things about it. I was never big on having a blue bike before I realized just how much depth and variance of color this paint has.
katezila is offline  
Old 07-03-11, 06:12 PM
  #18  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
katezila's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 216

Bikes: 1973 Schwinn Collegiate, 1983 Fuji Royale II Mixte

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Well. It's a good thing I decided to remake the brackets since I snapped one of the arms of the down tube bracket when flattening it out again. I bent the first set in and out of shape way to many times even though I knew a stress crack was inevitable. The new set's only been bent once and is a slightly smaller, better fit. I've also lined the inside with strips cut from a broken rim strip I found, and got a little fancy with the edges. Thanks again Mike for the tips, I think this set came out much better.
I've probably only ridden 10 -15 miles, but it hasn't budged an inch. I think I'm good to go.
Oh, I also painted it. The paint is in no way even remotely perfect but I like it well enough. The original paint was a bit uneven too.













And just wanted to throw this up here, thanks Southpaw for inspiring me on what to do with the empty shifter mount:


Last edited by katezila; 07-03-11 at 08:20 PM.
katezila is offline  
Old 07-03-11, 06:42 PM
  #19  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
katezila's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 216

Bikes: 1973 Schwinn Collegiate, 1983 Fuji Royale II Mixte

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Oh, and for fun, here's a "before an after" of the chain guard

katezila is offline  
Old 07-03-11, 07:03 PM
  #20  
holyrollin'
 
FlatTop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: L.B.N.J.U.S.A.
Posts: 1,324

Bikes: Raleigh, Rudge, James 3spds., and a cast of many

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 4 Posts
I like the placement better this time around. Nice job on the brackets! Looks pro.

The use of elastic stop nuts (nylon locknuts) is ideal on short fasteners like these. On long ones they wear you out when installing and removing.
FlatTop is offline  
Old 07-03-11, 07:59 PM
  #21  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,768

Bikes: Cinelli, Paramount, Raleigh, Carlton, Zeus, Gemniani, Frejus, Legnano, Pinarello, Falcon

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times in 8 Posts
Looks super. I'm hoping for something similar eventually on my 5-speed. Will make note of your work!
dbakl is offline  
Old 07-03-11, 09:40 PM
  #22  
hi
 
YoKev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Kingston, NY
Posts: 2,605
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
A++

Quite a looker you have there
YoKev is offline  
Old 07-04-11, 12:58 AM
  #23  
Junior Member
 
ElliotSF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 150
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Liked 8 Times in 7 Posts
Beautiful bike in every respect. Congratulations!
ElliotSF is offline  
Old 07-04-11, 06:14 AM
  #24  
Senior Member
 
Michael Angelo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Hurricane Alley , Florida
Posts: 3,903

Bikes: Treks (USA), Schwinn Paramount, Schwinn letour,Raleigh Team Professional, Gazelle GoldLine Racing, 2 Super Mondias, Carlton Professional.

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 78 Post(s)
Liked 30 Times in 22 Posts
Beautiful Bike, nice color combo. What did you use under the clamps to protect the paint?
Michael Angelo is offline  
Old 07-04-11, 08:46 AM
  #25  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
katezila's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 216

Bikes: 1973 Schwinn Collegiate, 1983 Fuji Royale II Mixte

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Michael Angelo
Beautiful Bike, nice color combo. What did you use under the clamps to protect the paint?
Thanks again everyone! You'll make my bike blush!

Michael Angelo I just wrapped and tapped some short rags the first go around, and then when the brackets were more or less finished, I had a 1/4 inch wide rim strip that I cut liners from and attached with rubber cement. I don't think the rubber cement held very well, but it held well enough.
katezila is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
rbaisa
Classic & Vintage
35
06-24-14 01:51 PM
Barrettscv
Fifty Plus (50+)
19
08-12-13 10:25 AM
samosaurus
Folding Bikes
11
06-04-13 01:12 AM
ttrevino416
General Cycling Discussion
2
07-14-12 02:48 PM
broodwich
Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational)
5
05-27-12 02:04 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.