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Old 07-01-11, 01:27 PM   #1
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Williams AB77 Cranks?

I've heard they share BCD patterns with other cranks like TA. They are super cool, but have hairline cracks on the spider arms. They rode fine, but I was concerned. Also, the strange splined spindle was throwing me off. Is there any collectability or rarity here?













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Yes, they're fairly rare and collectible. Yes, that's a proprietary spindle. No, the cranks in the spider are not a good thing.
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Yes, they're fairly rare and collectible. Yes, that's a proprietary spindle. No, the cranks in the spider are not a good thing.
Thanks, Picchio.

What are the odds of getting these back on the road in a decent amount of time? Where would be my best bet to find a replacement spider? Would mixing TA parts be sacrilege?
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I'm not an expert on the cracked-spider thing. I would probably write to Hilary Stone and see if he has one or can keep an eye out for one, or to one of the other sellers of specialty Brit bike bits.
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Search for 'Williams' in 'cycling' in 'sporting goods' on ebay every now and then, and you'll find another spider. Alternately there are many other chain rings besides TA that will fit; my preference would probably be Stronglight. The outer rings are 151 mm bcd, as I recall... not that this really helps you! Very cool crankset.
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Search for 'Williams' in 'cycling' in 'sporting goods' on ebay every now and then, and you'll find another spider. Alternately there are many other chain rings besides TA that will fit; my preference would probably be Stronglight. The outer rings are 151 mm bcd, as I recall... not that this really helps you! Very cool crankset.
It is 151 BCD. I'd take any spider that would fit.
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Wow. I'm screwed.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Chainring-Willia...item20ae1e2648

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Wow. I'm screwed.
I'd guess the inner most bolt circle would fit TA or Stronglight rings. I always thought the Williams rings were 151.

What's cracked, the adapter? Cool looking crank, worth saving...

54 teeth seems ah, manly.
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I'd guess the inner most bolt circle would fit TA or Stronglight rings. I always thought the Williams rings were 151.

What's cracked, the adapter? Cool looking crank, worth saving...

54 teeth seems ah, manly.
Nah. I'll probably just get rid of it. This looks like it will be too taxing on my time frame.
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Those pedals are collectible (i.e. coveted, aka valuable), too.
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Nah. I'll probably just get rid of it. This looks like it will be too taxing on my time frame.
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If you don't want to maintain original equipment, I guess. Original is original...

Sure, anything else is easier.

I have the comparable Ta adapter if it helps, don't know what it fits though...
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If you don't want to maintain original equipment, I guess. Original is original...

Sure, anything else is easier.
Lol. They're not attached to anything. Some guy took them off to make a fixed gear. He didn't want them and I did.
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Those pedals are collectible (i.e. coveted, aka valuable), too.
They look like an early version of the Marcel Berthet pedal.
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If you don't want to maintain original equipment, I guess. Original is original...

Sure, anything else is easier.

I have the comparable Ta adapter if it helps, don't know what it fits though...
The adapteurs came in at least a couple varieties. The "Criterium" version looks like this and uses TA's 6-bolt, 151mm BCD "Criterium" chainrings:



Another version uses the 80mm BCD, 6-bolt "Cyclotouriste" pattern:



IIRC, there was yet another version that used the 122mm BCD, 5-bolt Stronglight pattern.
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They look like an early version of the Marcel Berthet pedal.
Berthet Lyotard pedals to be exact. One is missing the dust cap, unfortunately.
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You could stop the cracks from propogating further by drilling a tiny hole at their outermost end. Though I'm sure some would say this is a bad idea, myself among them, it would work okay, probably, for a little while.

What kind of bike did they come off of?
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You could stop the cracks from propogating further by drilling a tiny hole at their outermost end. Though I'm sure some would say this is a bad idea, myself among them, it would work okay, probably, for a little while.

What kind of bike did they come off of?
Some older repainted Dawes. It fit the kid, so I didn't pursue it.
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I'd guess the inner most bolt circle would fit TA or Stronglight rings. I always thought the Williams rings were 151.

What's cracked, the adapter? Cool looking crank, worth saving...

54 teeth seems ah, manly.
I've only seen one other Williams crankset, but it was a 151 bcd....
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I've only seen one other Williams crankset, but it was a 151 bcd....
Just looked again. They are 151 BCD. D'oh.
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What do you want to do with this crankset?

I recently had to make a chain ring to fit an old cottered crank with the same bcd, because it was the only way to get something that resembles the original crank of the bike in question (read about that here).

There's these Simplex adapters on ebay, fairly reasonable price, though not all that attractive....

but what about this?
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What do you want to do with this crankset?
Pass it along to someone via trade or monetary transaction. Lol. I'll just keep looking for one that fits my bill.
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Much better...

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