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Old 07-03-11, 09:03 AM   #1
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Need help indentifying a Concorde frame

Hello guys,
couple of months ago I got a Concorde frame (so am I told and there is no reason not to believe that), it had been awfuly repainted (no original colour) and I recieved it with no colour. The friend of mine from who I got this frame says it could be something like '50-'60 frame. I suppose so has he been told by the guy who traded it to him for bottle of wine, as the frame had a little crack or how you call it..

That's not a lot of help there, it easily could be from other decade, as I don't have any literature where to check it.
Facts:
Lugs are with circular cuts
Frame size is about 60, haven't checked yet
There is mark on seattube lug that reads '60' (frame size?)
BB shell is with holes in it, probably to make ir lighter
Dropouts are Campagnolo with the casual 'Brev' indicator they put on everything they have patented
I've had it painted
Mark on the BB shell reads '1235' (there may be a mistake on the fisrt number there, as I checked it from the picture, because frame is in the workshop now)
Weight could be something like 2kg
Seattube is 27mm inside diameter

Here are some pictured I made, these weren't made on the purpose of identification, but I hope they help











Larger pictues may be found here (there are some pictures of parts, never mind those)

I will really appreciate any help, I believe there are at least couple of guys here who can tell almost exact year by the given information, as I've scrolled through many topics on this forum while searching the right parts for my bike.

Best regars from Latvia,
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Doubt that this is a Concorde, the telling detail is the huge cut-outs to the BB shell, something I've only seen before on Italvega frames (specifically the Superlight) and therefore on Torpedo who most likely built those frames. This has some details that are unlike most Italvega or Torpedoes that I've seen, such as the round hole cutouts in the lugs (normal would be a diamond shape), but I'd still lean toward Torpedo and away from Concorde. The short Campy dropouts have portacatena holes in the driveside (you can barely see it) so the most likely age for this frame is late '70s (say 1978-1980)...I'd guess the the 27mm seat tube could indicate an SP seat tube on an otherwise SL frame.
Is there a fork?
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Doubt that this is a Concorde, the telling detail is the huge cut-outs to the BB shell, something I've only seen before on Italvega frames (specifically the Superlight) and therefore on Torpedo who most likely built those frames. This has some details that are unlike most Italvega or Torpedoes that I've seen, such as the round hole cutouts in the lugs (normal would be a diamond shape), but I'd still lean toward Torpedo and away from Concorde. The short Campy dropouts have portacatena holes in the driveside (you can barely see it) so the most likely age for this frame is late '70s (say 1978-1980)...I'd guess the the 27mm seat tube could indicate an SP seat tube on an otherwise SL frame.
Is there a fork?
Thank you, I reallly appreciate it, as my knowledge in vintage road bikes is poor.
So it's possible that Torpado built it, but it's not for Italvega?

There was no fork, as far as I know.
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That's my best guess: the scalloped chainstay end and the "spoon" seat stay cap are also consistent details with Torpado. Here's one pic of a typical BB shell from a 1976 Italvega Super Speciale (very similar to a Torpado Super Light), but note that it has cable routing above the shell and long Campy 1010 dropouts (it's earlier than your frame).
http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...een31.jpg.html
the only Torpado pics I can find are later (mid-80s) but still they have similar stay caps and the scallops, as well as those "barrel shaped" cable eyes...though almost always with "T" engravings at several locations.
Therefore, this might be something they contract built (which they are known to have done).

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Definetely not a concorde. Seatstays, bb, fork crown, brake bridge etc. Are all off. Cool frame none the less! i like those radical cut outs in the bb shell.
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Thank you unworthy1,
it is really similar to the Super Speciale, I had stumbled upon those pictures when searching for any info on the company. I also sent an e-mail to the Torpado - there is a hope someone there will know english and besides that will know something about this frame.

Having a Torpado frame is certainly more interesting than having a Concorde frame. This is a top quality build frame and that's the main thing.

If anyone has something to add to the discussion - feel free!
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Having a Torpado frame is certainly more interesting than having a Concorde frame. This is a top quality build frame and that's the main thing.
Oi! Concordes have a long and distinguished history, cool design, and some really top end tubing specs for the most part, and they are a joint venture between a dutch and italian company! Pretty much perfect IMHO besides, must were build by Torpado under licence. anyway, many happy miles to you on this bike! Any idea of the components you're going to put on it?
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Definitely looks Italvega-y.
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Oi! Concordes have a long and distinguished history, cool design, and some really top end tubing specs for the most part, and they are a joint venture between a dutch and italian company! Pretty much perfect IMHO besides, must were build by Torpado under licence. anyway, many happy miles to you on this bike! Any idea of the components you're going to put on it?
Well, for now I have built it fixed, as making it a proper road bike would cost some fortune more. Also it's quite fun to ride and I'm enjoying it.

Anyway - I don't have any pics of complete now, but regarding parts, I can throw in a list of them

Frame - Torpado 60cm with Campagnolo dropouts ~2000g
Fork - suppose it is Rossini 820g
Headset - Miche 120g
Stem - Cinelli (Milani pantographed) 266g
Bars - 3ttt the famous Forma SL 255g
Seatpost - Gipiemme 238g
Saddle - San Marco Racing Replica with TI rails 312g
Crankset - Campagnolo 170mm Strada with 52t chainring right/left395g/177g
BB - Campagnolo (can't say yet exactly which and at what weight, as it was installed by guy who found it for me to create perfect chainline)
Pedals - Miche Primato with AFA Milremo toe straps and Christopher laces all together 516g
Chain - Regina Extra 7 speed original weight, now a bit less, as some links were removed 337g
Hubset - Miche Primato low flange, 32h front/rear 240g/346g
Rims - Pavesi & C. for F.I.R Record 32h each 225g
Tires - Vittora Rubino each 310g
Tubes - Vittoria each 75g
Cog - Miche 17t ~50g
Bar tape - Fizik dual

Some detail shots of frame and parts

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