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Old 07-03-11, 12:25 PM   #1
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Nervex lugs

Does anyone know if Gitane ever used Nervex Professional lugs on their frames? If so, what year and model? I have a French frame and fork with Nervex Professional lugs and fork crown. I would think Motobecane but for the half chrome fork blades and both rear stays. Then again I would guess Gitane because of the crimped seat stay caps but for the use of Nervex lugs. I would appreciated some thought on this perplexing matter. Thanks.
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Old 07-03-11, 12:36 PM   #2
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pics will help greatly...have you scoped out everything at gitaneusa.com?
The only I've ever seen with Nervex Pro is a very early (1962?) Gitane Competition, which may have been a European only model.
Then again, with Gitane you never know! Substitution was their middle name...still, more likely some other French brand: the crimped stay caps were employed by several others.
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pics will help greatly...have you scoped out everything at gitaneusa.com?
The only I've ever seen with Nervex Pro is a very early (1962?) Gitane Competition, which may have been a European only model.
Then again, with Gitane you never know! Substitution was their middle name...still, more likely some other French brand: the crimped stay caps were employed by several others.
Yes I have scoped out Gitaneusa.com but no conclusive results yet. Thanks.
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That's a very nice-looking bike. That particular style of Nervex lug is a bit different from the standard: it has the circular cutout only on the front part that embraces the head tube, and not on the rear portion that goes onto the down tube and top tube. Motobecane used that style of lugs on the early-to-mid-70's Grand Jubile and Grand Record, and I've never seen them anywhere else. I read somewhere that they were made especially for Motobecane although I have no idea if that's actually true. So my first guess would be Motobecane, but I don't think they had chromed rear stays or fork crowns. The GJ used Huret dropouts and the GR had Campagnolo. Maybe an older model, but if it's not a Moto I have no idea.
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The seat stay caps look like Gitane, but it doesn't have the typical for Gitane "fish mouth" ends at the dropouts. That's all I've got.

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The GJ used Huret dropouts and the GR had Campagnolo.
FWIW, I have a Grand Jubilee with Campagnolo dropouts, and the matching rear derailler.
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I'd also guess "Motobecane" based on those lugs (which I have called "Prugnat" based on the photos that used to be in the Pope/Sachs lug library, but are now pulled offline) but even if they are some exclusive Nervex, I've only seen them on Motos (or perhaps a better guess is their second line "Astra").
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Update: the Sachs/Pope-Lance lug image library is still lost from the Internet, but I was able to scrounge these images of the lugs from archives: so for the record, these are called Prugnat Type 56VAC, at least that's my story (for now) and I'll stick to it until a better story comes along
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Nervex Pro model 49/162.
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These are not Nervex Professional lugs, but the Prugnats that Unworthy linked above. They're reasonably common on the Motobecane Grand Jubilee (but not limited to them).

Nervex also made the Model 45/159, which is similar to the 56VAC but not identical:

(http://www.flickr.com/photos/strongl...782099/detail/)


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Update: the Sachs/Pope-Lance lug image library is still lost from the Internet, but I was able to scrounge these images of the lugs from archives: so for the record, these are called Prugnat Type 56VAC, at least that's my story (for now) and I'll stick to it until a better story comes along
I very much appreciate your effort and time in answering my inquiry. However, I've seen photos of Motobecanes with these lugs and they were advertised as Nervex. Please tell me how the lugs on my bike differ from those on the Grand Record here:http://www.classicrendezvous.com/Fra...obecane_Hm.htm. I just don't see it. Thanks very much.
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However, I've seen photos of Motobecanes with these lugs and they were advertised as Nervex.
And I've seen frames sold as and badged with Reynolds 531 decals...built with Columbus.

Companies lied through their teeth back in the day. Most folks didn't know the difference, and there wasn't an internet to verify or call them out on.

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