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Old 07-14-11, 12:49 PM   #1
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Clear doesn't go over chrome. Period.

Besides the fact that the stuff invariably begins to peel sooner or later - leaving you with the fun task of removing the rest, you can't polish the chrome underneath it.

More importantly, if you can't polish the chrome underneath, you can't burnish off any rust that forms from neglect. I give you Exhibit A, one 1991 Masi Nuova Strada:







I rest my case. Nothing personal against Jim Allen, of course - with exception to these stays, the rest of the paint on this thing is phenomenal.

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P.S.: I tried Ray Dobbin's cable lining trick under the BB on this MASI. It works well, even though the guides are open at the bottom.

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your chain is installed backwards.
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your chain is installed backwards.
I think he just either has the crank off or the chain is just off the chainrings.

EDIT: Look at the last pic, the drive side crank has been removed.
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I removed the clear coat from my Voyageur 11.8. The decals weren't complete and were under the clear.

The clear coat over the chrome fork tips on several Motobecanes and Peugeots I've seen is super thick and durable. It can become a bit cloudy, though.
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Kurt thats nonsense. You ever wonder why PX10 chrome is very rarely rusted? Its because its clear coated. My Guerciotti had clear coated chrome with no rust. Considering how rusty that frame is I'd imagine there's be alot more rust if it wasn't chromed.

For the most part Italian chrome work sucks, its thin and rusts very easily. PX10's and Paramounts have some of the most durable chroming you'll ever find.
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your chain is installed backwards.
How can that be? It's a Rohloff SLT 99. It doesn't have a replaceable joiner pin that must be installed in the leading hole in a given link, as you would have on a Shimano chain.

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Indeed - it was removed for cleaning and access to the BB area.

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Kurt thats nonsense. You ever wonder why PX10 chrome is very rarely rusted? Its because its clear coated.
Suits an abused frame, but what good is a frame with decent chrome and paint that has rusted beyond recognition?


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My Guerciotti had clear coated chrome with no rust. Considering how rusty that frame is I'd imagine there's be alot more rust if it wasn't chromed.
She's clean on the inside; only spot of rust on the frame is on the lower tip of the seatlug. Even the cable guides are spotless.

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For the most part Italian chrome work sucks, its thin and rusts very easily. PX10's and Paramounts have some of the most durable chroming you'll ever find.
PX10s, yes. PY10's, yes. I'm not quite convinced with Paramount chrome though - Schwinn never got the chrome around the BB's right (resulting in rusty BB shells) and I often find that the Nervex crowns have rusted out (as on my '72 and a few other local examples which are fine, otherwise).

1950's Raleigh chrome - now that's bombproof. Neal will back me up on that; there's nobody on this forum who'd know that chrome better.

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P.S.: I'll post a cleaned-up shot in 20 minutes.
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Done.







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I have a 1974 PX10 and 1974 PA10 with absolutely flawless chrome thanks to clearcoat.
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I have a 1974 PX10 and 1974 PA10 with absolutely flawless chrome thanks to clearcoat.
I know the PA10 is in beautiful shape, but isn't the '74 PX the frame that was refinished by Dr. Deltron?

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I know the PA10 is in beautiful shape, but isn't the '74 PX the frame that was refinished by Dr. Deltron?

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He didn't rechrome it. What's your point?

He stripped the clear off of the PX10 chrome. I stripped it off of the PA10. It took five applications of Jasco stripper to get it off of the fork. It's tough stuff and it did a good job of protecting the chrome for 37 years. The chrome is bare on both now.

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I thought the whole purpose of chrome plating was to avoid the need for clear coat, etc.
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He didn't rechrome it. What's your point?
The condition of the paint, as-found, relative to the clearcoated chrome.

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I thought the whole purpose of chrome plating was to avoid the need for clear coat, etc.
Well, to be completely fair, I believe chrome tips were introduced mainly to protect frames from paint scuffing during wheel changes.

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looks better in person.
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looks better in person.
FYI, the RD shifter cable kept falling out of the BB guide during hard downshifts (see photo #2 in the more recent post) - RD spring couldn't keep up with the Ergo lever, leaving a lot of slack in the cable. With no loops on the BB guide, it would simply fall out.

I put a light application of silicone on the black plastic guide I added. Holds the cable in place like a charm.

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