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Old 07-15-11, 04:06 PM   #1
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1971 Raleigh DL170 International Restored

Well, it's finally finished! What started as a frame that had been stripped of all Campagnolo components (as well as anything else useful) and was in imminent danger of becoming (Gasp, shall I say it?) a "fixie" is restored to as close to original as I can get it. There are variations from original: The smaller chainring is 42 teeth instead of 45 teeth, the saddle is a 1980 era Brooks Professional, and the rims are Weinmann concave clinchers, 27 inch. The paint is original and those with eagle eyes will notice the non-original Reynolds Five-Three-One stickers on the forks. These hide bad paint scars. As soon as I get a rain-free evening, I will hit the road with it for a shakedown ride. The most remarkable difference from my 1972 is the wheelbase (one inch longer on the 1971) and the head tube rake (more touring on the 1971, more racing on the 1972).

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My 1972. Note the different geometry:

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That looks very nice. I had no idea the geometry changed like that, it looks like a radical departure.
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That looks very nice. I had no idea the geometry changed like that, it looks like a radical departure.
Raleigh may not of known either.
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Raleigh may not of known either.
Lol! That is funny and sad.
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Raleigh may not of known either.
Agreed. I dare say the headtube angle on the '70 appears to be slacker than the seattube. Someone mitered the tubes wrong, shoved it together, and pushed the frame through anyway.

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This just deepens my love for British bicycles. By the way, it's not fair that you should have two, I'd be glad to help in any way I can
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Raleigh may not of known either.
lol!

It was probably the work of the same person that brazed the seat stay lug on my super course.
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Agreed. I dare say the headtube angle on the '70 appears to be slacker than the seattube. Someone mitered the tubes wrong and pushed the frame through anyway.

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Seriously?
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It's not out of the question - Raleigh would be the company to do it too. A measurement of the frame angles would be a good place to start.

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My '71. #F3791 on BB. Interesting fork variation between the two '71's.


1971 Raleigh International by djk762, on Flickr


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Well, it's finally finished! What started as a frame that had been stripped of all Campagnolo components (as well as anything else useful) and was in imminent danger of becoming (Gasp, shall I say it?) a "fixie" is restored to as close to original as I can get it. There are variations from original: The smaller chainring is 42 teeth instead of 45 teeth, the saddle is a 1980 era Brooks Professional, and the rims are Weinmann concave clinchers, 27 inch. The paint is original and those with eagle eyes will notice the non-original Reynolds Five-Three-One stickers on the forks. These hide bad paint scars. As soon as I get a rain-free evening, I will hit the road with it for a shakedown ride. The most remarkable difference from my 1972 is the wheelbase (one inch longer on the 1971) and the head tube rake (more touring on the 1971, more racing on the 1972).

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My 1972. Note the different geometry:

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Both are beautiful, though I'm partial to the Champagne.
I also was not aware of a geometry variant, and I would believe an error. I say it adds charm to the history.
Do you own both now? I would assume that you ride both the same, not racing one and touring the other?
Can you feel the difference in the ride? Not the quickness, but the road feel.
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Great restoration jbkirby, glad to see that it came out as spectacular as your champagne bike! Very interesting comparison of geometries also. I wonder if your frame combined with djkashuba's fork would result in a ride like that of a DL-1?
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Both are beautiful, though I'm partial to the Champagne.
I also was not aware of a geometry variant, and I would believe an error. I say it adds charm to the history.
Do you own both now? I would assume that you ride both the same, not racing one and touring the other?
Can you feel the difference in the ride? Not the quickness, but the road feel.
David: Yes, I own both. The 1971 seems to be much more stable at all but very low speeds where the steering is more sensitive, apparently due to increased camber. The 40 year old Campy drivetrain on the 1971 is as close to perfect as I can imagine, causing me to contemplate an overhaul on the 1972.

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As a sidenote, look at Shelton Brown's web page (Retro Raleighs) and look at the catalog archives for the different years. The 1970 DL 170 shows significantly more rake in the head tube than the 1972 and later years. Error or design change?? Either way, both bikes are beautiful riders and will get much use!
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How about a Raleigh Carlton registry for The Headbadge???
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Interesting geometry differences. Here's my '71 and '72 Int'l. I assumed the geometries were identical:

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And another '72 I've since sold:


And my '74:


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How about a Raleigh Carlton registry for The Headbadge???
I'm game - Super Course and up sound good?

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Nice restoration jbkirby! I used to have a 1973 in the same color, and have always been kinda partial to that bike.
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I,ve always been a "Holdsworth/Hetchins" man but I,m starting to turn .
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The old Brooks pro...Why brooks doesn't make em like that anymore...why? They were so beautiful.
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That sounds GREAT!!
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I'm pretty sure that's right.
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Ok, you fellows asked for it, you're getting it:

The Carlton Raleigh Registry @ The Headbadge

If you have any submissions, send them to the Headbadge's email address, not here. Make sure to include a photo.

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Kurt:

Thank you for the new registry. We buried my beloved father today, the man who taught me how to ride a bike fifty years ago and was the best dad any man could have...I will miss him terribly. I was on my shakedown ride for the 1971 when the call came that I need to return to my home town as he didn't have long. He was surrounded by his family. As soon as I return home, I will post my DL 170s to the registry.

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