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    Campy Nuovo Record RD Observation

    I struck a deal with another member for a Nuovo Record RD dispite all the comments as to how terrible they shift. I read a lot of comments stating you need to overshift then trim down for this RD to work well.

    In my case I have found these statments to be false. I find the Nouvo Record to be the finest shifting RD I have ever shifted. It is crisp, accurate, and flawless. Maybe, I have the only well made, GREAT shifting Nouvo Record in existence?

    Setup was a snap, and I was off and going in about 15 minutes. I recommend trying this derailleur if you have been considering it, but have been holding back due to all the bad feedback.

    I'm running a 13-23t 6 speed freewheel with it, along with Campy DT shifters, and campy FD. Simply AWESOME.

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    the rumors of their inferiority are highly over-rated.

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    Agreed.

    Just put one on my Zullo Sprint build a couple of weeks ago.

    Shifts like a real champ.


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    I found the same thing capecodder. I think it's mostly about the freewheel and probably the chain. I've experienced the exact same NR derailleur with an atom freewheel and a nicer Suntour freewheel with worlds of difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkeller234 View Post
    I found the same thing capecodder. I think it's mostly about the freewheel and probably the chain. I've experienced the exact same NR derailleur with an atom freewheel and a nicer Suntour freewheel with worlds of difference.

    I am running a Shimano 600 freewheel right now, but tomorrow I am going to try my Everest Extraleggera 13-23 and see how that works. i'm expecting the same wonderful results as with the Shimano 600. I also have a nearly NOS Shimano Dura Ace 14-22 that I will try as well.

    I am very impressed with this derailleur so far, and expect it to continue to put a smile on my face. I'm also running a SRAM PC-830 chain.
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    [QUOTE=Capecodder;12935028]I struck a deal with another member for a Nuovo Record RD dispite all the comments as to how terrible they shift. I read a lot of comments stating you need to overshift then trim down for this RD to work well.

    In my case I have found these statments to be false. I find the Nouvo Record to be the finest shifting RD I have ever shifted. It is crisp, accurate, and flawless. Maybe, I have the only well made, GREAT shifting Nouvo Record in existence?



    No, you have the second well made NR RD on your bike. Thought you might want to know that.

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    Capecodder, is that a SACHS Aris freewheel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capecodder View Post
    No, you have the second well made NR RD on your bike. Thought you might want to know that.
    I must have three, four, five, six and seven at that rate...

    The standard back in the day, and every one I use "kerchunks" right into the next gear every single time. I really am amazed at the bad rap they get here.

    Guess I'm just another of the lucky ones.

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    +1 Running a Dura Ace 7spd MF-7400
    Shifts like butta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capecodder View Post
    I'm running a 13-23t 6 speed freewheel with it,

    Pfft! Anything can shift a close-spaced freewheel. I'm not bad-mouthing the NR RD but you did not truly test it with that set up.
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    Mike - they were never designed to be used with a freewheel much larger than that. So, he did test it. The way it was intended.

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    It looks like a Aris Freewheel the teeth have a small notch on them. Smooth shifting freewheel. Shimano UG shifts well too. If you want to see bad shifting try a Suntour freewheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Mills View Post
    Pfft! Anything can shift a close-spaced freewheel. I'm not bad-mouting the NR RD but you did not truly test it with that set up.

    That's like asking, "Why does my race car ride so rough on the streets of NYC?" It was not design for that. It was designed for racing, not riding to Starsbucks on a 39 large cog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by look171 View Post
    That's like asking, "Why does my race car ride so rough on the streets of NYC?" It was not design for that. It was designed for racing, not riding to Starsbucks on a 39 large cog.
    I'm not asking anything.

    The NR RD is my favorite RD, ever. It is a love affair despite the flaws, maybe I even love the flaws. My bike is set up with a 5 speed freewheel, 24T max, a Regina Oro chain and a NR RD. <-- I practice what I preach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRietz View Post
    Mike - they were never designed to be used with a freewheel much larger than that. So, he did test it. The way it was intended.
    I agree about it's design but not the testing. Limiting testing to this very constrained operating band is not what differentiates a good derailleur from a great derailleur. There were many RD's that could shift that freewheel equally well (possibly better). Some of those would do very well on much wider range freewheels, as well. This is why the Suntour Cyclone and Shimano Crane began to pull ahead of Campagnolo in performance.
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    I like to tease some folks about NR derailleurs but the NR works well over a closely spaced freewheel that does not exceed 24 teeth... it was a very long serving design and the things never wear out and like Berto said, it shifts poorly but it will shift poorly forever.

    Many racing derailleurs come with the same limitations for range and will behave poorly when you try to exceed the derailleurs capacity... will say that I am partial to the Suntour Cyclone and Superbe rear derailleurs as I do not believe there has ever been a better designed friction derailleur than these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    I... and like Berto said, it shifts poorly but it will shift poorly forever.


    LOL!


    I used my NR RD on a bike camping tour. I had a 14-28T rear and 42/52T front. I worked perfectly well on the 28T rear but, honestly, that was it's absolute upper limit.

    I have a Cyclone squirreled away in a box of parts. I believe the jockey wheels have radial cracks from age. It is very light in weight.
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    It's not that the Campy NR RD shifted badly. It's that the Slant-pantograph design shifts better. There is a reason why, once the Suntour patent on that design expired in 1984, everybody - including Campy, eventually - adopted that design.

    Having said that, I still think the NR is the prettiest RD made. That pebble-grain body, the lines, the finish - visual perfection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Mills View Post
    LOL!

    I used my NR RD on a bike camping tour. I had a 14-28T rear and 42/52T front. I worked perfectly well on the 28T rear but, honestly, that was it's absolute upper limit.

    I have a Cyclone squirreled away in a box of parts. I believe the jockey wheels have radial cracks from age. It is very light in weight.
    The Cyclone is lighter than most of the modern offerings from Campy and Shimano... despite not having ant carbon fibre or titanium parts.

    I run a Mk2 road derailleur on my Ron Cooper and think it weighs 185 grams which puts it right in line with the new Record rear derailleur... the Superbe and Superbe Pro are actually a little heavier.

    I run a Regina close ratio 7 speed on the Cooperand the Cyclone shifts like butter... I have some Simplex retrofriction shifters mated to a Mk1 Cyclone GT (one of my all time favourite derailleurs) on my Garlatti to handle a 14-30 block and the shifting is incredible.

    Would have went with an NR on the Garlatti had I not decided on using a wide range Suntour 5 speed to go with the 49/52 half step up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikingshearer View Post
    It's not that the Campy NR RD shifted badly. It's that the Slant-pantograph design shifts better. There is a reason why, once the Suntour patent on that design expired in 1984, everybody - including Campy, eventually - adopted that design.

    Having said that, I still think the NR is the prettiest RD made. That pebble-grain body, the lines, the finish - visual perfection.
    I see your NR and raise you with this...


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    I'll politely disagree. But I will certainly agree that that Huret is in the top tier.

    It's kind of like arguing about who was the best baseball player ever. I think it's Babe Ruth (absolutely stupid-good hitting stats plus he could have been a Hall of Fame pitcher), but I'm not about to say someone who argues for Willie Mays is out to lunch.

    Now if you try to argue that Ozzie Smith was the best shortstop ever . . . .
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    Capecodder, it's all that grit on the teeth of the freewheel that make it shift so well -- pre-modern indexing! Wait until you clean it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    I like to tease some folks about NR derailleurs but the NR works well over a closely spaced freewheel that does not exceed 24 teeth... it was a very long serving design and the things never wear out and like Berto said, it shifts poorly but it will shift poorly forever.

    Many racing derailleurs come with the same limitations for range and will behave poorly when you try to exceed the derailleurs capacity... will say that I am partial to the Suntour Cyclone and Superbe rear derailleurs as I do not believe there has ever been a better designed friction derailleur than these.
    I think he said that about the Allvit, as well; that what's terrible about them is they don't shift well, and what's worse is that if you keep them clean they'll never break, so one may not be motivated to replace them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
    I think he said that about the Allvit, as well; that what's terrible about them is they don't shift well, and what's worse is that if you keep them clean they'll never break, so one may not be motivated to replace them.
    You can crush rocks with an Allvit...

    Amazing that Huret could make a jewel like the Jubilee and then make the Allvit but then, Campagnolo made the Valentino derailleur and Shimano made the Eagle.

    I guess Suntour gets the Honour with the Honour but then, the Honour shifts quite well with a pretty light albeit noisy action and can handle a pretty good range.... this can be said of just about every Suntour friction derailleur.

    I have an affection for the high end stuff but a really deep and sometimes perverse appreciation for the lower end stuff that performed every bit as well, did it for much less money, and often sold for a fraction of what the Italians charged.

    You could ride around the world on an Allvit, Eagle, or Honour and use them to pound in your tent pegs and anchor your boat too.

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    Well, I just spun on my Everest 13-23 freewheel and the derailleur shifts just as well as with the Shimano 600...... I also tried the 5 speed Shimano with a 28t large cog but it did not like to shift on to the large cog. I have yet to try the Dura Ace 14-22 but I'm sure that will be fine as well. I think as long as I don't go larger than a 26t large cog it will work like a charm, though 23t will most likely be the lowest I go. As long as it is kept within the range it was designed to handle it works fantastic, and that is how it should be.
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