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Old 09-01-11, 10:06 PM   #1
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[Lotsa PICS] Looking for more info on my newly acquired Rossin..

There doesn't seem to be enough info on the interweb about Rossins. I checked Bulgier's catalogs and other forums, but I can't find a close enough answer, model and a ball park year, for my newly acquired Rossin.. What makes me a bit more curious is that mine doesn't have ANY of the engravings/pantographs that most other Rossins I've seen. Which might mean mine is a low-level frame. There's nothing that say Rossin in the frame other than the decals.

Although there are 2 things about this frame that I like:
1. the interal housing for the rear brake cable, and
2. top and bottom tubes - don't know how to explain, but see pics.

can anybody advice on what model this is, and a ball park year?

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The fork has Columbus dropouts, rear dropouts have no mark.


Only says Speciale. Does this mean the frame is before Columbus classified their frames as SL, SLX, etc.?


Here's the features on the top and bottom tubes, the down tube is similar to some Colnagos I've seen.


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I liked this


It also has a Cinelli stem



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Cringe


I liked this


It also has a Cinelli stem


Looks like a late '80s Rossin frame, possibly Basso-built (?). Columbus decal is SL. First generation C-Record/Cobalto with late Super Record seatpost.
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Cringe


I liked this


It also has a Cinelli stem


That's a Columbus SL tubing decal. Lots of Italian brands were messing around with squashing Columbus tubing into various shapes in the mid-1980s. Mostly marketing. Your frame looks really nice in those pics. That frameset is probably worth something close to what you paid for the entire bike.

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Looks like a late '80s Rossin frame, possibly Basso-built (?). Columbus decal is SL.
Cool, thanks! That's good news to me!
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The parts may have been moved to that bike from an earlier race bike that someone had. The frame looks way cleaner than the parts (which is a good thing, frame-wise).
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Oh- the crimped tubes and internal cable routing were typical of the "Ghibli" model, but I don't recall if they were SL or SLX. - Your decal is SL, though. Here's an image from what may have been '87-'88 TSD catalog. They imported Rossin to the USA, and I believe were painting them in the States then.

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The parts may have been moved to that bike from an earlier race bike that someone had. The frame looks way cleaner than the parts (which is a good thing, frame-wise).
Thanks! That's probably what happened here. One thing I forgot to mention, which I hate, is that the hubs are Suzue.
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Oh- the crimped tubes and internal cable routing were typical of the "Ghibli" model, but I don't recall if they were SL or SLX. - Your decal is SL, though. Here's an image from what may have been '87-'88 TSD catalog. They imported Rossin to the USA, and I believe were painting them in the States then.
I looked up pics of the Ghibli, although mine has the internal cable routing, the seat, top and down tubes on the Ghibli are crimped the same way. It's only the downtube on mine while the top tube is only slightly crimped. Though I like the fact that mine shares some features of their flagship model.

The other thing is that the Ghibli is full of pantographs and there's not a single one on mine.
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I looked up pics of the Ghibli, although mine has the internal cable routing, the seat, top and down tubes on the Ghibli are crimped the same way. It's only the downtube on mine while the top tube is only slightly crimped. Though I like the fact that mine shares some features of their flagship model.

The other thing is that the Ghibli is full of pantographs and there's not a single one on mine.
I think yours is not a Ghibli, but one of the later Basso frames, with some similar features to the (earlier) Ghibli. The lower headlug on the Basso Rossins, actually had the cut-out "R" filled in with braze, at least on one I used to have; not sure why they filled it in. Also, the Ghibli frames sold here by TSD had those wild '80s paint jobs... Just curious; what's the BB shell look like on yours? I seem to remember the Ghibli of mid '80s having a reinforced shell.
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I think yours is not a Ghibli, but one of the later Basso frames, with some similar features to the (earlier) Ghibli. The lower headlug on the Basso Rossins, actually had the cut-out "R" filled in with braze, at least on one I used to have; not sure why they filled it in. Also, the Ghibli frames sold here by TSD had those wild '80s paint jobs... Just curious; what's the BB shell look like on yours? I seem to remember the Ghibli of mid '80s having a reinforced shell.
Here are a couple pics, nothing special there. My low-end Pinarello had "Pinarello" and Serial No on the BB shell, but nada on this Rossin.



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These tubes are crimped, the Ghibli is is formed/contoured and has a cast BB shell with SLX cast into it.
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