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    Can anyone tell me about this Frame

    Hi.

    I recently acquired this Medici "aerodynamic", I really haven't found anything on the web that can tell me about this frame. I am familiar with the pro-strada, and other models of Medici, but this one seems to be a mystery.












    Thanks!

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    The angles, especially the rear triangle look incredibly wonky to me.

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    From the design I think it could be their take on a tri bike. Not UCI legal.

    Mike Howard used to post on the Classic rendezvous list before it migrated to google, I would sign up and post an inquiry there, he most likely brazed it up and may have designed it. At least he would know the reason for the frame.

    By the way, I am impressed he could torture the seat lug and bottom bracket to make those angles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20grit View Post
    The angles, especially the rear triangle look incredibly wonky to me.
    +1 Never seen geometry quite like that.
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    Any chance it's for a 'funny bike' with a smaller front wheel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by repechage View Post
    From the design I think it could be their take on a tri bike. Not UCI legal.

    Mike Howard used to post on the Classic rendezvous list before it migrated to google, I would sign up and post an inquiry there, he most likely brazed it up and may have designed it. At least he would know the reason for the frame.

    By the way, I am impressed he could torture the seat lug and bottom bracket to make those angles.

    thanks, I will definitely try that as well. I found something they called an "aerodynamic" but it looked nothing like this one. I wonder how it would handle. o.O


    thanks again.

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    To be very honest, it looks like they used a generic rear drop-out and have it sitting far closer to horizontal than usual.
    Would you mind throwing some measurements our way?
    Examples: Wheel base, length of chain stays, angles, etc?

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    I am at the office (it just came in), I will have to do measurements when I can, a couple days (headed to VA for an inlaw visit) but sure thing.


    The rear dropouts are campagnolo it looks like.


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    Well, while you're in VA... just leave it with me for a few months. I'll let you know how it rides.

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    I think frame use for time trial...C-T have the angle to the front, but not certain..
    what size wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mangun View Post
    I think frame use for time trial...C-T have the angle to the front, but not certain..
    what size wheels?

    No idea yet. Just got it. the person I obtained it from, doesn't know either

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    Those are some unusual angles for sure. Please be sure to post photos once you've built it up, or at least with wheels installed.

    Edit: P.s. It is strange to see a pump peg on a TT frame, which makes me think this is tri-bike.
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    Ok. No measurments but I slapped some wheels on it.



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    Whoa, still looks strange, especially that rear triangle. The front wheel looks really tight, too. How much clearance to you have below the fork crown? I wonder if it's intended for a smaller front wheel.
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    Off topic, but...It's amazing to me that you can have a frame in such seemingly excellent condition, and yet the tubing decal looks like it's been to hell and back. I don't get why those tubing decals are made to disintegrate as they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaucho777 View Post
    Whoa, still looks strange, especially that rear triangle. The front wheel looks really tight, too. How much clearance to you have below the fork crown? I wonder if it's intended for a smaller front wheel.


    Nah def for a 700c wheel. That's a 28 tire. More clearance than the bike it came off of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    Ok. No measurments but I slapped some wheels on it.


    I'd say it's a tri-bike, late 80s to early 90s vintage. That was about the time aero bars started getting popular, and triathletes favored a very forward position to get their backs horizontal without having their legs slamming into their abdomen. A popular solution for an off-the-peg frame was to turn a set-back seat post backwards to get it "set forward" but a custom frame could be made with a steep seat tube to accomplish the same thing.

    I built a frame like that back then, but not quite as steep a seat angle. Mine was 80deg; this Medici looks to be 90deg.


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    Not sure how its aerodynamic, or any more aero than normal geometry, me thinks a normal seat tube angle is probably more aero than a straight one, if you could ride it backwards on the other hand maybe...! what a weird frame, cool find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by divineAndbright View Post
    Not sure how its aerodynamic, or any more aero than normal geometry, me thinks a normal seat tube angle is probably more aero than a straight one, if you could ride it backwards on the other hand maybe...! what a weird frame, cool find.

    I think it's not the frame that is aerodynamic but the position of the rider.

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    So I spoke to Mike Howard, Basically stated that during the time the frame was built people were experimenting with steep seat angles, he built three of them for Snyder Bicycles for a customer named Norm Hoffman, each one with a steeper angle, one at 90 degrees.... Says he thought Norm Hoffman was crazy, but the guy broke tons of records and won several national championships...

    Real interesting story, I am contacting this snyder bike shop to see if I can get any more information....


    Anyway, here is a picture next to another bicycle that, lined up the best, as you can see it's got a very long wheelbase....



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    Thanks for the update. Interesting story. Thought this might be of interest: http://www.ronjones.org/ShareTheRoad...offmanBio.html. Norm Hoffman was Professor of Health and Education at Bakersfield College in California. He holds (or held?) three national and world age-cycling records and won five 40-kilometer US Cycling Federation national championships. Sadly, Norm Hoffman was killed by an negligent car driver in 2001.

    There's also this similar Medici, also built for Norm Hoffman, on velo-cult: http://velocult.com/bikes/masi-superman/.
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