I was thinking about Italian frame makers....
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I was thinking about Italian frame makers....
....the craftsman type and how many there were/are and then I stumbled upon a minor fact about Italy. The entire country which includes Sicily and Sardena is about the size of Arizona.
Yes, Arizona.
Yes, Arizona.
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And the county I live in here in CA is probably bigger than most eastern US states. 
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09-26-11, 01:26 PM
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Texas is about the size of the North Sea.
09-26-11, 01:31 PM
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In Italy live 60.000.000 people. I understand in Arizona only 6.000.000.
Italy has a GDP of almost 2.000 billion euro. Arizona?
I don't who is most bankrupt
Italy has a GDP of almost 2.000 billion euro. Arizona?
I don't who is most bankrupt
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A Texan complained that when Alaska joined the union as a state it made Texas only the 2nd largest state.
An Alaskan, overhearing the complaint, replied that he should stop complaining or they'd cut Alaska in two and make Texas the 3rd largest.
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09-26-11, 02:11 PM
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Since when did this become a Social Studies forum....
Rhode Island is neither a road nor an island. Please discuss.....
Rhode Island is neither a road nor an island. Please discuss.....
09-26-11, 02:50 PM
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Italy, until fairly recently wasn't really a unified country. It was only in the 1800's that all the separate small states (which were often at war or in trade disputes with each other in the past) on the peninsula were merged into the country we know today as Italy. This accounts for some of the diversity you see there in culture, although most Americans think of "Italian food" as a sort of Sicilian/Calabrese thing drowned in tomato sauce, the food and culture is really diverse--Including bike makers!
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Although I prefer a panini, try to get a good burrito anywhere in Italy.
No matter, Italy is a paradise.
Although I prefer a panini, try to get a good burrito anywhere in Italy.
No matter, Italy is a paradise.
09-26-11, 03:02 PM
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Italy, until fairly recently wasn't really a unified country. It was only in the 1800's that all the separate small states (which were often at war or in trade disputes with each other in the past) on the peninsula were merged into the country we know today as Italy. This accounts for some of the diversity you see there in culture, although most Americans think of "Italian food" as a sort of Sicilian/Calabrese thing drowned in tomato sauce, the food and culture is really diverse--Including bike makers!
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09-26-11, 03:13 PM
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True, most manufacturing was and is in the North. Motorcycles too.
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09-26-11, 04:00 PM
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I think Jim's point was how small the country is, compared to the number of frame builders it has/had. I think that population, not land area, is the relevant statistic. Italy's pop. is about 1/5 of the US's. The question is, do they have, or did they have during glory days of cycle-building, more than their proportionate share of quality frame builders -- I think that you have to say yes, unequivocally. Of course, during that time, their population was probably greater than 1/5 of the US pop. -- figures are current.
If, however, you want to look at a "small" country producing a large proportion of quality bicycles, lI suggest comparing Great Britain, with 50 million population. In terms of land area, US has 7.7 million km^2, Italy 294,000 and England (not the whole UK) only 130,000. In terms of GDP: US 14.2 trillion USD, Italy 1.4 trillion, and England 1.9 trillion. In the years 1950-2000, maybe Italy wins on the frame-building per prosperity issue.
If, however, you want to look at a "small" country producing a large proportion of quality bicycles, lI suggest comparing Great Britain, with 50 million population. In terms of land area, US has 7.7 million km^2, Italy 294,000 and England (not the whole UK) only 130,000. In terms of GDP: US 14.2 trillion USD, Italy 1.4 trillion, and England 1.9 trillion. In the years 1950-2000, maybe Italy wins on the frame-building per prosperity issue.
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Canada is the 2nd largest country in the world (3,855,100 sq. mi). We have less people ( 35 mil. ) than the state of California (36 mil.)
Please don't invade.
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Are you mourning the paucity of frame builders in Arizona? There are probably as many frame builders in Arizona as there are in Germany. If you were a frame builder you would probably want to locate near your customers.
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I think Jim's point was how small the country is, compared to the number of frame builders it has/had. I think that population, not land area, is the relevant statistic. Italy's pop. is about 1/5 of the US's. The question is, do they have, or did they have during glory days of cycle-building, more than their proportionate share of quality frame builders -- I think that you have to say yes, unequivocally. Of course, during that time, their population was probably greater than 1/5 of the US pop. -- figures are current.
If, however, you want to look at a "small" country producing a large proportion of quality bicycles, lI suggest comparing Great Britain, with 50 million population. In terms of land area, US has 7.7 million km^2, Italy 294,000 and England (not the whole UK) only 130,000. In terms of GDP: US 14.2 trillion USD, Italy 1.4 trillion, and England 1.9 trillion. In the years 1950-2000, maybe Italy wins on the frame-building per prosperity issue.
If, however, you want to look at a "small" country producing a large proportion of quality bicycles, lI suggest comparing Great Britain, with 50 million population. In terms of land area, US has 7.7 million km^2, Italy 294,000 and England (not the whole UK) only 130,000. In terms of GDP: US 14.2 trillion USD, Italy 1.4 trillion, and England 1.9 trillion. In the years 1950-2000, maybe Italy wins on the frame-building per prosperity issue.
And all of the builders seem to be up north so that would be like them living in Pheonix metro area.