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Old 09-23-11, 05:29 PM   #1
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What the hell is this?

1974 Raleigh International(??) Champagne Vintage Bicycle

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...#ht_773wt_1413


...and he is selling it "as is" with a "a money back guarantee"
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That's a pretty nice hundred dollar bike.
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Looks rusty International to me.

I do wonder about these private auctions though, with the cloaked bidder identity, is it not redundant to hide the bidders? Unless one is going to have a shill drive up the bids...
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Nice enough bike but not an international. Wrong lugs.
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Looks like a Franken-Prix to me. Service fork, and some pretty nice upgrades.
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Serial number would indicate 1981 vintage. Did Raleighs ever use Simplex and Mafac? My early 70s Competition used Huret shifters so maybe. "It measures 22" from seat post to stem" - this is handy to know.

I agree that a hundred bucks would be a reasonably good deal

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..Did Raleighs ever use Simplex and Mafac? ...
These bikes normally had Simplex DRs.
The Seller lists " Brakes Front/Rear: Weinmann Center pulls MAFAC Racer" brakes. Likely he means the LEVERS are Weinmanns (probably original) and the calipers are Mafac (replaced).

I don't trust the serial number given by the seller. (Too many digits after "NA" (Nottingham, January, xxxxxx) )
I would guess it's really an early 70's GP
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1974 Raleigh International(??) Champagne Vintage Bicycle

...and he is selling it "as is" with a "a money back guarantee"
Fork is bent...
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It's got the same lugs as my '79 Nottingham Super Grand Prix but mine doesn't have the wrap around seat stays.
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Nice enough bike but not an international. Wrong lugs.
You are correct. I should have not missed that. Super Course?
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You are correct. I should have not missed that. Super Course?
Not SC. Grand Prix

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My two cents is that it is more likely a Grand Prix than it is an International. The paint color is similar to the Champagane used on the International. However, it does look more like someone took a Grand Prix and installed Mafac brakes and a Sugino Maxy cotterless crankset. Plus the replacement fork.
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It is a Grand Prix with enough parts swapped to fool someone into believing...




...that it is a Super Grand Prix.

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It is not an Raleigh International! The bicycle is most likely a Grand Prix or a Criterium, both of which featured the full wrap around seat stay. I doubt that it is a Super Course but I could be wrong about that.



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...that it is a Super Grand Prix.
I know that I have not seen all of the Raleighs made, but I have not seen a Super Grand Prix with the wrap around seat stay...



Incidentally, there was nothing super about the Super Grand Prix, in my opinion.
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That's a pretty nice hundred dollar bike.
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I know that I have not seen all of the Raleighs made, but I have not seen a Super Grand Prix with the wrap around seat stay...
Good point - though I wouldn't put it past Raleigh.

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