Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 20 of 20
  1. #1
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    19
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Need help identifying high-end raleigh bike (probably late 1960s)

    I recently purchased a raleigh roadbike and am having a little trouble identifying its make and manufacturing year. From what I've been able to collect, I believe it is an early Raleigh professional, but I could be wrong. I've posted some pictures below.

    The bike has a campagnolo record (170) crankset, campy brakes and campy brazed on shifters. Its got a 3ttt record stem and GB handlebars and campy record hubs. However, the headset is Dura Ace along with the derailleurs.

    I think I've identified the lugs as Carlton Capella lugs and their website (http://www.carltoncycles.me.uk/details/lugwork-p.htm) says they where used between 1958 and 1966. The serial number on the BB is A7995, which according to Sheldon Brown (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/retroral...ting.html#1967) means it was manufactured in 1966.

    However, after looking at the 1967 catalogue on his website, the lug-work doesnt match the "raleigh carlton" bike. Nor was that bike outfitted with campy components.

    Any thoughts? (From the pics, you will see that the bike has had an after-market paint job)

    Were braze-on shifters even used that far back?
    Attached Images Attached Images

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    My Bikes
    Cinelli, Paramount, Raleigh, Carlton, Zeus, Gemniani, Frejus, Legnano, Pinarello, Falcon
    Posts
    5,775
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I'm guessing it is a '73 Competition with some work and different parts. I believe those lugs were only used by Raleigh in '73. Sloping fork crown was used on the Pro and the Competition. Top tube cable guides look Competition. Braze-on levers were added unless its some model of Carlton rebadged as a Raleigh. But all the parts are not Competition. The RAleigh headbadge prior to 1970 was an oval, not the cutout Heron.

  3. #3
    Half way there gmt13's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    Durham, NC
    My Bikes
    69 Hercules, 73 Raleigh Sports, 74 Raliegh Competition, 78 Nishiki Professional, 79 Nishiki International, 83 Colnago Super, 83 Viner Junior
    Posts
    1,107
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Looks like my '74 Competition, especially with the sloping crown. What dropouts does it have? Mine has Huret. Braze on shifters were stock. Also, my SN is "A####" as well. Equipment was certainly upgraded.

  4. #4
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    19
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The dropouts are Huret as well, so is the downtube/bb cable guide is also Huret. I guess that answers it - 1973/74 raleigh comp. with some upgraded parts. Thanks!

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    2,063
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    A wild Frejus appears!

  6. #6
    Senior Member zazenzach's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Posts
    884
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    forks bent

  7. #7
    Can'tre Member 3alarmer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Wonderland
    My Bikes
    White Rabbit custom
    Posts
    6,227
    Mentioned
    84 Post(s)
    Tagged
    3 Thread(s)

    I have a Competition from that approximate period..

    and the lugs and fork crown are similar. I'll try to post some
    pictures soon, but have non right now.

    +1 on it being a Competition, though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat
    Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.

  8. #8
    Senior Member AZORCH's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Liberty, Missouri
    My Bikes
    1966 Paramount P-13 | 1971 Raleigh International | 1982 Gazelle AA Champion Mondial Special | 1980s Freschi Supreme Super Cromo | 1985 Katakura Silk | 1989 Waterford PDG Paramount | 2012 Boulder Brevet | 2014 Cycles Toussaint Velo Routier
    Posts
    2,454
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by dbakl View Post
    I believe those lugs were only used by Raleigh in '73.
    Correct; 1973 was the only year the Capella lugs were used by Raleigh.
    The Early Morning Cyclist: marksbikes.wordpress.com
    Life's too dang short to ride ugly bikes.

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    My Bikes
    Cinelli, Paramount, Raleigh, Carlton, Zeus, Gemniani, Frejus, Legnano, Pinarello, Falcon
    Posts
    5,775
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by gmt13 View Post
    Braze on shifters were stock.
    Cool, never saw that on a Raleigh, though pretty common on Carltons. I just built a Competition frame into a single speed for my son and shipped it to him at college, it was a nice riding bike!

  10. #10
    incazzare. lostarchitect's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    My Bikes
    See sig
    Posts
    4,101
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by jammmers View Post
    Were braze-on shifters even used that far back?
    I dunno about Raleigh, but my JRJ is a '64 and has braze on shifters, so, yes.
    1964 JRJ (Bob Jackson) San Remo Plus, 1989 Trek 520, 2000ish Colian (Colin Laing), 2013 Velo Orange Pass Hunter

  11. #11
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    19
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    So I've taken a look through the Raleigh 1973 catalogue on Sheldon's page. Any idea what the BB and headset make would have been for the 1973 Raleigh competition?

    I was thinking that the BB might be TA considering the crank is TA. But what about the headset??

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    My Bikes
    Cinelli, Paramount, Raleigh, Carlton, Zeus, Gemniani, Frejus, Legnano, Pinarello, Falcon
    Posts
    5,775
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    BB would have been TA, headset was a generic thing maybe called Brampton?

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    My Bikes
    Cinelli, Paramount, Raleigh, Carlton, Zeus, Gemniani, Frejus, Legnano, Pinarello, Falcon
    Posts
    5,775
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by lostarchitect View Post
    I dunno about Raleigh, but my JRJ is a '64 and has braze on shifters, so, yes.
    I'm working on a late 50s Carlton that has the shifter bosses brazed on.

  14. #14
    Hopelessly addicted... photogravity's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Central Maryland
    My Bikes
    1949 Hercules Kestrel, 1950 Norman Rapide, 1970 Schwinn Collegiate, 1972 Peugeot UE-8, 1976 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Jack Taylor Tandem, 1984 Davidson Tandem, 2010 Bilenky "BQ" 650B Constructeur Tandem, 2011 Linus Mixte
    Posts
    4,656
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by jammmers View Post
    I recently purchased a raleigh roadbike and am having a little trouble identifying its make and manufacturing year. From what I've been able to collect, I believe it is an early Raleigh professional, but I could be wrong. I've posted some pictures below.

    The bike has a campagnolo record (170) crankset, campy brakes and campy brazed on shifters. Its got a 3ttt record stem and GB handlebars and campy record hubs. However, the headset is Dura Ace along with the derailleurs.

    I think I've identified the lugs as Carlton Capella lugs and their website (http://www.carltoncycles.me.uk/details/lugwork-p.htm) says they where used between 1958 and 1966. The serial number on the BB is A7995, which according to Sheldon Brown (http://www.sheldonbrown.com/retroral...ting.html#1967) means it was manufactured in 1966.

    However, after looking at the 1967 catalogue on his website, the lug-work doesnt match the "raleigh carlton" bike. Nor was that bike outfitted with campy components.

    Any thoughts? (From the pics, you will see that the bike has had an after-market paint job)

    Were braze-on shifters even used that far back?
    She's quite nice, whatever she is. Does the serial match with Raleigh bikes of that period? I have a feeling it is like others here have posited: It's either a) the braze-ons were added or b) it's a Carlton badged as a Raleigh. Given it's been repainted, my guess is the former as opposed to the latter, but this is nothing more than wild supposition on my part.
    --
    Ridding the world of derailleurs, one bicycle at a time.

    46 Hercules Roadster, 49 Hercules Kestrel, 50 Norman Rapide, 51 Hercules Lion, 52 Hercules Windsor, 56 Hercules Royal Prince, 61 Fiorelli Tandem, 67 Carlton Super Race (IGH), 70 Schwinn Collegiate (IGH), 71 Hercules, 71 STF Hercules, 72 Peugeot PX-8 (IGH), 76 Raleigh Sports, 77 STF Raleigh Sports, 77 Jack Taylor Tandem, Early-80's Mike Appel SC, 84 Davidson Tandem, Late-80's Alpine, 10 Bilenky "BQ" Signature Tandem

  15. #15
    www.theheadbadge.com cudak888's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Southern Florida
    My Bikes
    http://www.theheadbadge.com
    Posts
    22,731
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by zazenzach View Post
    forks bent
    Seeing how your post has no indication of humor in it, I would like to hear your justifications for this comment; particularly as it could be misleading to the OP.

    Furthermore, the fork does not appear bent at all.

    -Kurt

  16. #16
    Senior Member Grand Bois's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Pinole, CA, USA
    Posts
    15,100
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    It looks like a '73 Raleigh Competition, but it should not have shifter braze-ons or side pull brakes.

  17. #17
    Senior Member sauze's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Winnipeg
    Posts
    925
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Beautiful bike ... any more photos ?

  18. #18
    Rustbelt Rider mkeller234's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Canton, OH
    My Bikes
    1990 Trek 1420 - 1978 Raleigh Professional - 1973 Schwinn Collegiate - 1974 Schwinn Suburban
    Posts
    8,258
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I agree with those who say a 73 Raleigh competition that was upgraded at some point in it's life.

    I noticed the "X" and "O" marks on the bottom bracket. My 73 Raleigh has the same marks. I wonder what they mean... "Hugs and Kisses" was suggested by colonelJLoyd. I'll take a picture of the headset on my 73 Raleigh Gran Sport, it's just some generic headset as far as I can tell.

    |^^^^^^^^^^^^^^| ||
    |......GO.BROWNS........| ||'|";, ___.
    |_..._..._______===|=||_|__|..., ] -
    "(@)'(@)"""''"**|(@)(@)*****''(@)

  19. #19
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    19
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by photogravity View Post
    Does the serial match with Raleigh bikes of that period?
    The serial number is A7995, which according to Sheldon, seems to suggest it is a 1966 bike. However, the evidence provided above about the Capella lugs and slopping crown seem to suggest something a little newer.

  20. #20
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    19
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by sauze View Post
    Beautiful bike ... any more photos ?
    Due to the repaint, there's nothing much better to show than the pics above. Probably going to repaint it back to the 1973/4 colours this winter when I repaint a couple others. I'll post pics then.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •