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Old 10-19-11, 12:19 PM   #1
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Campagnolo thin cup marked with "T" in a triangle

I've been meaning to bring these up: A pair of Italian-thread fixed thin cups from my stable of Campagnolo parts. One has a "T" in a triangle stamped along with the other markings. The other does not have this marking, and has noticeably fewer threads.

I've run a few searches to see if the "T" can be identified, with no luck. Anyone know?







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Why should Triomphe feature more threads? Victory would have used the same BB cups as well.

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Why should Triomphe feature more threads? Victory would have used the same BB cups as well.

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I'll peruse my parts catalog but I thought they all used the same cups....
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Because it goes in TOO deep?
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I'll peruse my parts catalog but I thought they all used the same cups....
Same thoughts here. My first inclination was "track," but I'd expect to see a "P" for Pista.

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Some cups like the super record had Titanium races I believe. Or was the axle?? too old to remember.
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Some cups like the super record had Titanium races I believe. Or was the axle?? too old to remember.
It was the spindle that was Ti on the real Super BB's, and there were a couple of types. The cups were aluminum alloy with steel races pressed in:



BTW- I'm wondering 'bout the triangle T - got a few of them here, too.
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It may be like the Z marking that appears on some spindles. Means nothing at all.

Does anyone have French or British cups with that marking? I have an Italian adjustable cup marked that way. My example is an NR...rifled cups
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I have no idea. T for Tullio? Probably not.

Hoping not to derail this thread too much, but I am curious about the cups posted above by TheOtherGuy. Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but what's the purpose of the threads on the inside of the cups below the races?
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I have no idea. T for Tullio? Probably not.

Hoping not to derail this thread too much, but I am curious about the cups posted above by TheOtherGuy. Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but what's the purpose of the threads on the inside of the cups below the races?
Are you referring to where the spindle passes through the cup? If so, that is rifling. It's purpose is to guide dirt and grit away from the inside of the cup.
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^Yes, in that case, I was referring to the rifling. Thanks for the explanation.
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I've always thought "rifling" was kind of an odd name for those grooves. Just checked my NR French thin and thick cup sets. No "T".
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I've always thought "rifling" was kind of an odd name for those grooves.
Think of the spiral inside a gunbarrel (as in the openings from the Bond series); hence, rifling.

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Think of the spiral inside a gunbarrel (as in the openings from the Bond series); hence, rifling.

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yeah Kurt, I'm plenty familiar with rifle barrels. That's the reason I think the name is odd in this application.
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It was the spindle that was Ti on the real Super BB's, and there were a couple of types. The cups were aluminum alloy with steel races pressed in:



BTW- I'm wondering 'bout the triangle T - got a few of them here, too.

Later Record/C-Record are alumium with steel races as well.
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I'm still not buying into the 'T' is for 'Triomphe' as thats way too easy based on Campy's track record for marking parts. And form that one could imply that Record cups would have an 'R' and Victory cups woulld have a 'V'. I did check and thay all have different part numbers.
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Part number 7131077 has the same marking.....my book list them as Chorus
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I'm still not buying into the 'T' is for 'Triomphe' as thats way too easy based on Campy's track record for marking parts. And form that one could imply that Record cups would have an 'R' and Victory cups woulld have a 'V'. I did check and thay all have different part numbers.
They only put it on Triomphe as a warning. It also stands for "tightwad".
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Thin in Italian:

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a thin slice- una fettina sottile
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a thin soup- una minestra liquida
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wafer-thin- sottilissimo
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narrow-gauge (Rail)- a scartamento ridotto
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widthwise- trasversalmente
Maybe it has something to do with width?
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Triple?
No....my example is an NR cup, which is not used for a triple. Only the thin "Record" cup is used for a triple. I am not saying one could not make one work, but according to my info the pista and triple cups were "Record".
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Near as I can figure it then, we've been able to deduce the following:
  • The "T" marked cup is Part #7131077.
  • It is completely possible to find Chorus and Triomphe equipped with this cup, given that the part number was shared.
  • The "T" does not stand for "thin cup." It doesn't translate into Italian, and it doesn't explain how you would mark a "thick cup" if it was in English.
  • It does not mean a triple cup; the part number is for a road double.
  • There is less threading on the non-"T" marked cup.

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