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    Hetchins Magnum Opus!! Does it get any better than this?

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006681119...84.m1423.l2649

    I watched this and I fancied a punt at 800

    I'm still laughing about it now!

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    WOW... beautiful, but $7,000+ USD is a lot of coin for a Bob Jackson Hetchins!

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    Meh. Looks like a trophy wife for an old guy thet never gets ridden either......

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    Quote Originally Posted by fender1 View Post
    Meh. Looks like a trophy wife for an old guy thet never gets ridden either......
    Lmao awesome! Or put another way, what's the point in having something that's to good to ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
    WOW... beautiful, but $7,000+ USD is a lot of coin for a Bob Jackson Hetchins!
    Is it? Not a David Miller?

    I paid $2,200. for my 60th anniversary frame, but I had just sold a house so it seemed like nothing...

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    Forgive my ignorance about Hetchins bicycles, but were they ever ridden by pro teams in races in the past? Did they have the curly stay design when they did?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
    Forgive my ignorance about Hetchins bicycles, but were they ever ridden by pro teams in races in the past? Did they have the curly stay design when they did?....

    Chombi
    I'm not a Hetchins expert, but my understanding is yes, they were raced professionally many years back and did have the curly stay design (brilliant stays). I heard one story, which sounds innacurate, stating that racing then was done without decals, so Hetchins made the stays in part to distinguish their bikes.

    DBAKL - $2200 for a Hetchins seems far more palateable. I thought I read in the description that the OP's was an 87' Bob Jackson, but I wouldn;t swear to it either. $7,000 just seems like a lot of money.

    One thing to remember is that you can have a brand spanking new custom for you Hetchins frame made for well under $2,000 (depending on conversion rates).

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    Hetchins were quite popular as racing bikes in the late 1930s up until the early 1960s. It has been suggested that the curly stays were a marketing tool, since back at that time amateur racers were not allowed to have logos on their bikes. This is subject to debate, however. I am not sure they ever competed in the Tdf, and doubt they did. Clearly, in the modern age of the Tour, the design became obsolete.
    I agree that is a beautiful bike, but way more than I would pay, even if I could afford it. While the 50th Anniversary components add some value, the absence of the box and replacement card really reduces that.
    edit: Sorry, I made the mistake of doing a little fact checking before I hit "post reply". Great minds think alike.

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    Magnificent! I like that it has 50th Anniversary too.
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    Anyone wanna buy my Bob Jackson. Lugs are not as fancy but at least it has chrome stays. Its a steal at 3,500

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    Quote Originally Posted by that_guy_zach View Post
    Anyone wanna buy my Bob Jackson. Lugs are not as fancy but at least it has chrome stays. Its a steal at 3,500
    Yes - will you take $450?

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    Your stays are bent.










    someone had to say it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fender1 View Post
    Meh. Looks like a trophy wife for an old guy thet never gets ridden either......
    Perfect description! The 50th anniversary gruppo is already like this on its own, but to put it on a Hetchins... I still remember the first Hetchins that I saw in the 70's, the owner was so proud of his bike (which he never rode), and every single one of the employees of the shop ho-hummed it.

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    $7k and no eyelets for fenders

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    Quote Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
    DBAKL - $2200 for a Hetchins seems far more palateable.
    Ah, that was just for the frame... only pic I have, built it with nice Campagnolo NR including triple crank. Sorry, didn't read Bob Jackson made.
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    I think 2200 is what they go for. It's what I'd expect to pay for one. Gorgeous at any rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velognome View Post
    $7k and no eyelets for fenders
    If I had this bike, I'd be crazy enough to ride it, but not crazy enough to ride it in the rain.
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    I feel like I've seen this bike on eBay before. Definitely a gem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
    ...I heard one story, which sounds inaccurate, stating that racing then was done without decals, so Hetchins made the stays in part to distinguish their bikes....
    Yes, it seems inaccurate. Following is some discussion from the Classic Rendevous Archives on this matter:



    From: Peter Brown
    Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:10:48 +0000
    Subject: Re: [CR] unorthodox frame designs with no brand markings: a CR

    Yes in essence that's true - the ruling by the RTTC (the time trilling body)
    was in 1938 after most of the unorthodox designs were introduced.


    However the makers did like their frames to be readily identifiable
    regardless of whether they were being raced or being ridden on the Club
    run...



    Hilary Stone, Bristol, British Isles



    Peter Brueggeman wrote:

    In reference to a Baines Flying Gate, Harvey Sachs said "...My guess is that
    this, like the "curly" stay Hetchins and the "Cantiflex" with "diadrant" (?)
    recurved forks was an effort to do almost anything to make your brand
    identifiable in races where no brand markings were allowed. ..."



    My unschooled understanding is that the use of unorthodox frame designs to
    make brands identifiable where no brand markings were allowed (in British
    racing) is a recurring CR urban legend, and there's been no documentation to
    back this up?



    I checked the CR Archive and couldn't find anything but it is a tough topic
    to keyword search.

    Peter




    Hilary is correct when he says that the RTTC rules (actually recommendations
    to be incorporated in club rules) were adopted by the RTTC in 1938. However,
    those rules were simply copied from the rules of the previous organisation,
    the Road Racing Council. You can see copies of both sets of rules at


    http://www.photobox.co.uk/my/album?album_id=239708098


    The double page is from a 1933 Cyclists Diary (the earliest edition I have)
    and shows the RRC rules, and the 2 single pages are from a 1938 edition of a
    diary and shows the very similar RTTC rules. So the RRC rules predate the
    introduction of such frames as the Bates with diadrant forks and Hetchins
    with Curly stays. There has been much discussion on this list and elsewhere
    as to how much such introductions were to circumvent the rules or for sound
    engineering principles, and I don't believe there is any conclusive proof to
    support either option. However, some of the old timers racing at the time
    tell me that they never regarded any of the "funnies" as an attempt to get
    round the rules, but there was always discussions about whether or not a
    particular frame rode better, and opinions were personal and varied and not
    usually based on any engineering principles. There was certainly no
    requirement for riders to remove or cover badges or transfers, and if a
    photograph of a name did appear in a publication no blame was attached to
    the rider, unless of course it could be interpreted that he was promoting a
    particular brand. The rule was not binding on publishers either, and the
    quality of reproduction in those days was such that transfers were rarely
    legible.


    The rules on clothing were much more strictly enforced and observed by the
    riders. There was one incident when my brother, riding in a 12 hour event in
    the late 40s, sewed a strip of sequins on to his sleeve so that his feeders
    could pick him out at a distance and be ready for him, and there was some
    discussion as to whether or not he should be allowed to start. He did start,
    and when he won in record time there were further discussions as to whether
    the record should stand. In the end common sense prevailed and his record
    stood until the next year, when he won again, still wearing his sequins.


    So I think this is another of those myths that grows with each telling until
    everyone believes the last version they heard, and probably adds a bit to
    it, but by going back to original evidence this myth can be dispelled.


    Peter Brown, Lincolnshire, England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbied196 View Post
    Does it get any better than this?!
    The final price for the Hetchins was a little bit more than the current "Buy it now price" right now for this well documented 1989 7-11 Team issue Eddy Merckx. An excellent test of form and function in expensive bikes. No question which one I would prefer, but I have never understood the appeal of either Hetchins or Campagnolo 50th anniversary groups.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eddy-Merckx-...t_19006wt_1562


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    I guess you can't have one without another: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hetchins-Mag...item3cbe6b344f



    At least the first bike had the good taste to stay away from gold on gold...

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    I can't speak for the 50th group (I think it is just bragging rights if you have one in the box) but the craftmanship and beauty of a Hetchins especially with fancy lugs and those Vibrant stays is simple and timeless beauty.

    I do not have many miles, nor good hard sweaty ones (but it was built to turn 3hr centuries either) but it is a pleasure to ride and to look at as well.

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