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Old 11-19-11, 04:36 PM   #1
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Cycles Tourmalet: anyone know what they are? (pic heavy)

Got me this Cycles Tourmalet yesterday. I bought it because I recognised the name in the seller's picture and I know an LBS who used to build his own frames and sell them as 'cycles tourmalet' before he had the courage to use his own name. This is evendently not one of them, but what is it?
It looks very French and judging by the parts I'm guessing it's from the late 60's.
There's one other on the 'net, a green, more racing oriented model, but I can find no background.

Anyone here familiar with them?













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Old 11-19-11, 06:02 PM   #2
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Late 60s/early 70s based on most things, IMO. Could be French, Spanish, Belgian, Romanian. Middle of the road, not low end, not high end. Could have been a rando. bike. Same head-tube lugs Peugot used in the 70s on their mid-grade bikes. Will make a great rider. PS: fork may be bent!
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Old 11-19-11, 06:35 PM   #3
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Thanks, blaise_f, you may be right about the fork. The rear of the fork blades lines up perfectly with the head tube. Don't think they're supposed to.
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Frame looks like a low end Peugeot from the 70's.
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Old 11-19-11, 07:26 PM   #5
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Very cool bike!
My first thought was "Peugeot" with some cool upgrades.

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That really does look like a Peugeot frame, the lugs are near identical but the rear brake cable guides look a bit different.

This is my sons AO8.



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It's likely not a Peugot, but something that uses the same lugs, honestly. It's close, but not the same. That's just my guess though.
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Old 11-19-11, 07:53 PM   #8
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Step 1: Change the pink tape
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It's likely not a Peugot, but something that uses the same lugs, honestly. It's close, but not the same. That's just my guess though.
Looks just like a UO to me, don't really see any differences. Only diff is that most UO's have single braze-on on the fork.

There are a bunch of rebranded UO's out there. At least 1 or 2 on my local Craigs. Since this one has a Nervar crankset (french), I'm guessing same gaspipe factory as the UO-8/10.
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Old 11-19-11, 08:18 PM   #10
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Only diff is that most UO's have single braze-on on the fork.
mid 70's UO9 has oversized double eyelets on the fork like that but the UO9 has chromed fork ends.
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Looks just like a UO to me, don't really see any differences. Only diff is that most UO's have single braze-on on the fork.

There are a bunch of rebranded UO's out there. At least 1 or 2 on my local Craigs. Since this one has a Nervar crankset (french), I'm guessing same gaspipe factory as the UO-8/10.
I could be way off, as I've had many brews this night, but if it is a Peugeot, I feel it's closer to a PX50 than a UO / AO line. The details here and there are perhaps between the two. Low end PX line with 700/27s is a closer bet, if it's a PeuG at all.
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Frame looks like a low end Peugeot from the 70's.
I've compared this with some pictures of the 1972 Peugeot P8E, and the frame is very similar, including the vertical mounting of the rear brake, but the cable guides are different:







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Old 11-20-11, 04:43 AM   #13
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There's not much of a market over here (yet) for these touring-oriented bikes, and, more importantly, I kinda like it, it's 60 cm and that is a size I can ride, so I might just rebuild it for the spring. I would love to know the original specifications though.
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Very cool bike!
My first thought was "Peugeot" with some cool upgrades.

Cheers,
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Thanks, I think the Ferrari red goes well with the style of the bike and the decals.
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Old 11-20-11, 05:01 AM   #15
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Since this one has a Nervar crankset (french), I'm guessing same gaspipe factory as the UO-8/10.
Well, the parts are actually quite an international, albeit European, mix:

stem: ttt (Italy)
derailers: Zeus Criterium first generation (Spain)
brakes & levers: MAFAC (France)
shifters: Huret (France)
pump clip: REG (Italy)
BB shell shifter cable guide; Campagnolo (Italy)
headset: Stronglight (France)

The brakes are probably original, given the way the rear is mounted.
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I could be way off, as I've had many brews this night, but if it is a Peugeot, I feel it's closer to a PX50 than a UO / AO line. The details here and there are perhaps between the two. Low end PX line with 700/27s is a closer bet, if it's a PeuG at all.
If I'm not mistaken, the PX50 came with 26" wheels, which wouldn't have fit. These MAFACs have a hard time reaching the 700C rims that are currently on the bike, so I'm guessing it came with 27" wheels originally.
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Nice bike! Tres chique color.
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As I recall, and that means little, the Spanish bicycles, and some components, were copied from others. Campagnolo, apparently had to go to court to get Zues to stop copying Campy stuff. Not sure of the details, however, that little preamble is needed to support what I will suggest next.

Considering the presence of Zues gear, and coupled with the near identical Peugeot U08 lugs and drop-outs, my guess is that the frame is nearly identical to the Peugeot's. Where built? Probably Spain, or perhaps the builder just bought frame sets from Peugeot and relabeled.

Again, just a guess, but the frame has too many similarities to not consider it might be just a Peugeot UO8 wearing different clothes...


Looks to be a fun project and hope that the OP shares information and pictures as the bike comes together.
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As I recall, and that means little, the Spanish bicycles, and some components, were copied from others. Campagnolo, apparently had to go to court to get Zues to stop copying Campy stuff. Not sure of the details, however, that little preamble is needed to support what I will suggest next.

Considering the presence of Zues gear, and coupled with the near identical Peugeot U08 lugs and drop-outs, my guess is that the frame is nearly identical to the Peugeot's. Where built? Probably Spain, or perhaps the builder just bought frame sets from Peugeot and relabeled.

Again, just a guess, but the frame has too many similarities to not consider it might be just a Peugeot UO8 wearing different clothes...


Looks to be a fun project and hope that the OP shares information and pictures as the bike comes together.
Thanks, Randy. I will look into the Spanish connection. Would be kinda nice to have a Spanish bike. That QR looks familiar. I might just have a pair of steel-rimmed 27" wheels like that somewhere.
I will be posting updates, but it might take a while. Gotta get that fork fixed first ...
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While you can't definitively rule out the possibility of a Spanish build, I'm leaning decidedly towards French. While the front are rear derailleurs are Zeus, the levers appear to be Huret. Given that the brakes and cranks are both French, as opposed to Zeus, the derailleurs are most likely upgrades from the original Huret models.

As for the lugs, while they look like Peugeot, the outside steps in the cutouts are rounded as opposed to square. These look more like a stylized wing, while the Peugeot looks like steps. They're obviously influenced by Peugeot, but it looks like somebody made an obvious and not so subtle improvement, so avoid complaints from Peugeot.
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Here's what the missing headbadge looks like:



Someone has pointed out that the rider looks like Constante Girardengo:

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As for the lugs, while they look like Peugeot, the outside steps in the cutouts are rounded as opposed to square. These look more like a stylized wing, while the Peugeot looks like steps.
I've checked and they're pretty square. The paintjob and the way the picture was taken give the rounded impression. Here's a (slghtly) better pic:

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There's not much of a market over here (yet) for these touring-oriented bikes, and, more importantly, I kinda like it, it's 60 cm and that is a size I can ride, so I might just rebuild it for the spring. I would love to know the original specifications though.
Just teasing about steps 2 and 3. But seriously, please change the pink tape!
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But seriously, please change the pink tape!
Yes, sir! Immediately, sir! Tape's gone, sir!

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Peugeot did use thase cable guides. My PA10 has them.

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