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Old 12-09-11, 04:10 PM   #1
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Schwinn What is it, difficulty: "World" - now with photos!

Ok, don't have access to the photos atm, but I agreed to buy an old schwinn off a friend of mine, give it some TLC and find a new home for it when it's cleaned up. Figured at the very least it would give me a project to keep me busy for a week or so over the holidays. So here's what I know:

Chromed rear (at least partial), some chrome on the fork as well, forged dropouts w/ derialleur hanger, downtube shifters, Shimano Crane RD, weinmann centerpull brakes, looks like one of the older "World" style Schwinn head badges, not the standard 4-point. Paint appears to be silver, and what decals are there are the circa 1980 block style like these:



In any case, I told him I'd take it off his hands for the $50 he's got into the new tires. Figured some new cables, casings, grease, and a polish on the paint and I can at least break even on my costs.
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No ideas? Guess I'll have to try to get my hands on the photos, or better the bike, this weekend.
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definately need photos
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I believe you have a 73/74 Schwinn World Voyageur II. Made by Panasonic for Schwinn. Came in orange or silver. If it is a WV, the bike is fully chrome under the paint.




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I dunno, looks a bit older going by just the decal font.
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World Sport (I, II, II), The World, I think there's at least one more from that era.
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Jon, without pictures we need to figure out what year model it is, then look for models available that year in Misty Silver and fitting your description.

Look for four small, lightly stamped digits on the head badge. Also look for numbers on the BB shell, the rear dropouts, or the head tube just above the bottom bearing cup.
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Going to try to get the bike tomorrow if I can. Should be an interesting project, I'm going to try to refrain from liberating the Crane RD from the bike before passing it on. Always wanted to add one of those to the display collection.
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Arranged to pick up the bike at the start of the AdHoc ride that's heading out at 1pm today, should be home around 4ish, photos posted from there. Appears that realestvin7 has called first dibs on it already. He must not be a very good poker player if he's showing how interested he is in it already.
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Arranged to pick up the bike at the start of the AdHoc ride that's heading out at 1pm today, should be home around 4ish, photos posted from there. Appears that realestvin7 has called first dibs on it already. He must not be a very good poker player if he's showing how interested he is in it already.
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And now a few photos. I know a few parts have been replaced, specifically the shifters, which are Campagnolo Record (early style). Levers are Dia-Compe, brakes are weinmann, lower downtube cable stop/guide is stamped 333 (shimano), SunTour rear dropouts, Selle Royal saddle, Gran Compe stem, unmarked bars.

Paint is rough in some areas, but it is complete chromed under the paint so no rust issues to speak of on the frame, chrome lugs, and the silver paint hides the paint imperfections well.





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Wow! Jon, that is a score! It's a 1973 World Voyageur that somebody put later SCHWINN down tube decals on. Big time score! It was marketed as a "World" brand bike because Schwinn was afraid a Japanese import with "Schwinn" on it would damage the brand. In 1973 it was only available in Kool Lemon, Kool Orange, and Opaque Blue, but by 1974 it was branded as a Schwinn-Approved Voyageur II and was available in metallic silver. I think since it has a World head badge you have a '73 that was made late in the year and painted with the metallic silver.

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BTW, made by National/Panasonic in Japan for Schwinn. The $335.00 price tag in 1974 when the P13-9 Paramount was selling for $495.00 tells you something about the quality of the bike and components.

bikemanbob and fender1 get gold stars for identifying it (in spite of the later DT decal)!
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Is it just the angle of the fork and fisheye in the picture, or is there a slight bend under the top and down tubes?

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Is it just the angle of the fork and fisheye in the picture, or is there a slight bend under the top and down tubes?

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I think you might be right; that head tube angle looks pretty steep.
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I think you might be right; that head tube angle looks pretty steep.
It doesn't look as steep as it looks as if it's not parallel with the seat tube. That, and the stem angles down quite a bit - not to say those Dia-Compe stems don't angle downwards on a 73 degree headtube to begin with - I believe they were made to sit level at 71.

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I took a straight edge to the top and down tubes, but I didn't see any bend. I think it was just the camera angle. The bars are turned a fair bit so that explains the stem angle. I'll check it again more closely when I get it on the work stand.
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It doesn't look as steep as it looks as if it's not parallel with the seat tube. That, and the stem angles down quite a bit - not to say those Dia-Compe stems don't angle downwards on a 73 degree headtube to begin with - I believe they were made to sit level at 71.

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Yeah. The catalog photo makes it look like the ST and HT are close to parallel. With Jon's bike, not so much...
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I see it in the photo, now I have to go stare at the bike for a while.
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You stare real hard now, ya hear?
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Upon closer inspection, it appears that our fears may be correct. I put my level on the top tube and it is no where close to level, and it does appear to have a gentle bend and the clearance between the downtube and tire does appear to be less than it should be.
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Upon closer inspection, it appears that our fears may be correct. I put my level on the top tube and it is no where close to level, and it does appear to have a gentle bend and the clearance between the downtube and tire does appear to be less than it should be.
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Working out things with the guy I got it from. He's a member of my club and a good guy, sounds like it either happened when it moved, or he rode it for years like that and had no idea. I put my Serotta up next to it and it was clear that the fork was way too upright and making the top tube to be far above horizontal. Sorry Andrew.
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