Vintage Campagnolo Super Record or "Record" Crankset?
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Vintage Campagnolo Super Record or "Record" Crankset?
I'm a little slow figuring all of this out for my '78 Paramount so I'm still a bit confused about a vintage Campagnolo Record crankset. Are only some of the period correct Super Records or all of them? If a Super Record is different than a Campagnolo Nuovo Record crankset, what is the difference?
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The terms Nuovo Record and Super record were mostly era designations when they introduced slight "upgrades" to the Record line up. Super record cranks had lightened chain rings. Lacking the inner circumferential strut. There may have been other slight differences I'm not aware of.
12-09-11, 07:59 PM
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Up until 1985, the crank arms are the same. The chain rings are different. Those of the SR are as rootboy describes, cut-out and lighter.
The Paramounts normally had NR rings, but some (that I'd guess as later than '78) were dressed in SR. Other components had greater differences between the two lines.
No one will complain if you use SR on a Paramount, tho.
Up until 1985, the crank arms are the same. The chain rings are different. Those of the SR are as rootboy describes, cut-out and lighter.
The Paramounts normally had NR rings, but some (that I'd guess as later than '78) were dressed in SR. Other components had greater differences between the two lines.
No one will complain if you use SR on a Paramount, tho.
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The crankset was changed a smidgen in 1978 increasing the clearance between the arm and the spider to accommodate the slightly wider front derailleur with the front lip.
12-09-11, 09:32 PM
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Another thread? Lol
Anyway, as I said before. There are no NR or SR crank arms. The arms are Record. The rings are either Nuovo or Super. Simple as that.
Anyway, as I said before. There are no NR or SR crank arms. The arms are Record. The rings are either Nuovo or Super. Simple as that.
12-09-11, 10:12 PM
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Well then what is mine? I have a Campy crankset with a GS stamped above the logo near the spindle. It also has cutout chainrings. Is it a Nuovo Gran Sport?,,,,BD
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It's just considered Gran Sport. They came with Nuovo Record rings as Super Record fit and can work but the arms have a different width so they don't line up with the SR rings. Now Record cranks you can swap between NR or SR rings to work with the time period of your bike. Though if your really picky and anal then you'd want the correct date on the crank arms to match with the rings then to the age of your frame.
12-09-11, 11:43 PM
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I'm not that concerned with the age of the rings vs cranks, vs frame. I just know it looks awesome on my black 79 Trek 510
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12-09-11, 11:59 PM
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it's technically from the Nuovo Gran Sport group, not just Gran Sport, although the cranks are marked GS.
Nuovo Gran Sport crank set:
notice the chain rings look like Nuovo Record but are not the same, the obvious difference being where the 'Brev Campagnolo' and tooth count is located.
the cranks are easily identified by the GS, wide "molded" flutes and flat looking finish.
Record crank arms:
these arms were used as part of the Nuovo Record and Super Record groups. there is absolutely no difference between the two.
Nuovo Record chain ring set:
notice the 'Brev Campagnolo' and tooth count is on the inner portion of the ring, where as the GS rings are marked on the outer portion of the ring.
Super Record chain ring set:
Super Record rings have no inner web as on the NR and GS rings.
to confuse everyone a little more, i believe these are technically Super Record crank arms, not just Record:
only available after Nuovo Record was discontinued (or close to the end). only real difference being the lack of fluting on the main arm section.
i stole some of the pics from Velobase, an amazing resource! everyone should spend a little time there digging through all the great info!
Nuovo Gran Sport crank set:
notice the chain rings look like Nuovo Record but are not the same, the obvious difference being where the 'Brev Campagnolo' and tooth count is located.
the cranks are easily identified by the GS, wide "molded" flutes and flat looking finish.
Record crank arms:
these arms were used as part of the Nuovo Record and Super Record groups. there is absolutely no difference between the two.
Nuovo Record chain ring set:
notice the 'Brev Campagnolo' and tooth count is on the inner portion of the ring, where as the GS rings are marked on the outer portion of the ring.
Super Record chain ring set:
Super Record rings have no inner web as on the NR and GS rings.
to confuse everyone a little more, i believe these are technically Super Record crank arms, not just Record:
only available after Nuovo Record was discontinued (or close to the end). only real difference being the lack of fluting on the main arm section.
i stole some of the pics from Velobase, an amazing resource! everyone should spend a little time there digging through all the great info!
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I have a reasonable understanding now and I appreciate all of the efforts explaining. I know what to look for now. I THINK! 
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Ah, but there's more! If your Paramount is a '78, you need one of those FOUR HOLE front derailleurs with the straight front band clamp. But, you knew that, right ?
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...and eventually, the Super Record crank went from an engraved logo, like this one...
...to an etched one, like this one on my Super Sport (with TA rings, which I added, so as not to confuse anyone).
...to an etched one, like this one on my Super Sport (with TA rings, which I added, so as not to confuse anyone).
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12-10-11, 08:30 AM
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The flutes on my cranks have a sharp edge whre it meets the outer face, so it feels more machined than "molded". That may just be from the machine polishing the face of the crank, eh. I love older Campy cranks, but once they went modern, UGH! Looked just like those late eighties Shimano offerings.,,,,BD
Of course I like most 70's-early 80's cranks, as they all had that certain flatness to them, that was beautiful while being all business.
Of course I like most 70's-early 80's cranks, as they all had that certain flatness to them, that was beautiful while being all business.
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I guess I'd argue the 151 cranks were Record and the 144s were Nuovo Record, but we've been there before...
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Well, this is a great thread, and I am now a happy camper. Why? I bought some Campy "Strada" cranks off e*ay last summer, and I now know they are Super Record! I got them for less than $50. How'd I do? Maybe pics tomorrow. Sad to say there were no dust caps.
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Campagnolo never referred to the 144bcd arms as "Nuovo Record." Case closed. It's likely, by the way, that the 144bcd arms were around before the first true "Nuovo Record" bit - the bottom bracket - was even created, though not available beyond the pro ranks. If you look at the components that received the "Nuovo" label, you can see that they embody some kind of significant design improvement relative to their "Record" predecessor - more significant than simply changing the bcd of the crank arms.
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Historically it's not odd. Owners of NR-based bikes in those days (late '60s to the late '70s) routinely changed parts to upgrade and lighten. Replacing wear items, such as chainrings, with the best available compatible part, was also very common. Plus if you're an LBS owner, would you want to commit inventory space to stocking all levels of Campy, or stock the items that would satisfy anybody's need for quality and were backward-compatible? The person in need of a replacement chainring to get his bike on the road needs to take what the LBS can give him.
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I'm a little slow figuring all of this out for my '78 Paramount so I'm still a bit confused about a vintage Campagnolo Record crankset. Are only some of the period correct Super Records or all of them? If a Super Record is different than a Campagnolo Nuovo Record crankset, what is the difference?
