Hercules Kestrel Club Project
As I was surfing through the C&V Sales sub-forum on December 8, 2011 I saw the intriguing thread "old british bikes" started by ftwelder. As I love English bikes more than anyone should, and having a bit of a penchant for Hercules bicycles in particular, my eyes widened as I saw not just one Hercules bicycle, but two described in the thread:
Hercules light roadster 1930's..very nasty and free So not only were there two bikes available, but they were free. Upon seeing the message I immediately sent a PM and upon arriving home placed a call to Frank and left a message. Early the next morning I received a PM to give him a call when I got a chance. Upon speaking to him it became apparent that there were a couple other Hercules that Frank had in his possession that he was also willing to part with, one that was only a frame. Upon clearing a weekend trip to VT with my wife, I proceeded to pack and hit the road. On Saturday morning, I went to Frank's shop and was greeted by Frank who gave me a tour of the shop and introduced me to many of his bicycles, ranging from ones he has built (Frank builds some VERY COOL BIKES!), his Italian rides, his Nashua and his Raleigh Golden Arrow (WOW!).Hercules "hudson" (not sure) very nasty and free In any case I was especially interested in knowing about the frame that Frank mentioned and that I spied in one of his flickr sets and that he had started a thread here on the forums a while back . Before long I had a frame in my hands, examining it and trying to figure out what it was. It had all the trademarks of a Hercules frame, but I wasn't familiar with the lugs, nor was Frank. We had a theory that it was a one-off skunkworks build, but didn't have anything to back up the theory. It wasn't until I posted some pictures on Sunday and one of my friends on flickr (Mike Gerrish or Abaraphobia) informed me that the frame was a Kestrel! Mike lives in England and is a bit of a Hercules expert in his own right, so I knew I was on the right track with this frame. At that point, of course, I began my search to determine the year of the bicycle based on clues the frame was giving me. One of the first clues that this was no older than an early 50's machine was due to the design of the dropouts which have a "keyhole" above the axle. I then started scouring the interwebs for catalogs (here and here), posters, and pictures for other hints. Since the frame had been repainted, the original color was not immediately apparent. The paint on the fork offered up no hints, nor did the headtube. In fact, the frame had been so thoroughly cleansed of any hints that I wasn't sure I would be able to get the year of the bike as close as I would like. But then I remembered that I hadn't yet looked inside the bottom bracket. I see gold: SCORE! There are catalogues that indicate "Polychromatic Gold" as the color of 1948 and 1949 Kestrel Club range. Now I've narrowed down the year of the bike, the work of re-creating this bike begins. I currently have a Hercules A Type 9 (1949) hub in my possession and a Bayliss Wiley "wide body" front hub as a starting point. It is certain that I'll be spending a lot of time searching the English and European eBay site for other components that will be suitable to this bike as I work through the project. Before we get to a few pictures, I want to pass on my most sincere thanks to Frank (ftwelder) for his outstanding generosity. He is a bike geek through and through and if you ever have an opportunity to meet him face-to-face or interact with him here on the forums, you will quickly realize he is a true class act! I present to you my new diamond in the rough: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6...a6ce4261_z.jpg Hercules Kestrel Frame - Late 1940's - 1 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7018/6...4a9496a0_z.jpg Hercules Kestrel Frame - Late 1940's - 2 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7172/6...09149caf_z.jpg Hercules Kestrel Frame - Late 1940's - 3 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7153/6...e16fa408_z.jpg Hercules Kestrel Frame - Late 1940's - 4 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7013/6...b5d677c2_z.jpg Hercules Kestrel Frame - Late 1940's - 5 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7175/6...00c6b4ca_z.jpg Hercules Kestrel Frame - Late 1940's - 8 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr |
Very nice! I dig the lugs. Looking forward to seeing what you do with it.
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This hub, with the little bucket oiler, came from a Herc, not as old as your frame, but you are welcome to it if you end up needing one.
http://davidnewtonguitars.squarespac...ycles/hubs.JPG |
Originally Posted by lostarchitect
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Very nice! I dig the lugs. Looking forward to seeing what you do with it.
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6057/6...33f4aeca_z.jpg Hercules Kestrel Club Model ('531' Tubing) by Abaraphobia, on Flickr |
Congratulations!
I'm guessing that bike came with a number of Hercules specific components, but many of them may have been from related suppliers, especially in Birimingham. So in many ways it should be a build comparable to my Norman Rapide. Pedals might be these, by Phillips:http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2422/...b71406.jpg?v=0 Brakes almost certainly these, by GB (sorry the levers are out of focus!):http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2578/...a10b3347_b.jpg I'm not finding any photos of my headset; but it's a very nice but rather plain chromed steel one. The crank might be a Williams C34, or something very similar, with a Hercules chain ring. You should be able to find the crank arms pretty easily, and cheaply. The Hercules chain ring will be trickier. But you can easily get a 44T aluminum disk chain ring and (less easily) cut the desired shape into it, as I did for my RRA crank. Assuming you're as crazy as I am which, for your sake and your wife's, I hope you aren't. Mudguards might be Brittons, with the Hercules badge stamped on the back somewhere: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2563/...3da2b4e0_b.jpg |
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This is my version of the British Club Racer based on a fillet brazed chrome moly prewar Schwinn World frame. Roger
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Originally Posted by David Newton
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This hub, with the little bucket oiler, came from a Herc, not as old as your frame, but you are welcome to it if you end up needing one.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7151/6...fe11b2e6_b.jpg Bayliss Wiley - 2 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr |
Originally Posted by rhm
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Congratulations!
I'm guessing that bike came with a number of Hercules specific components, but many of them may have been from related suppliers, especially in Birimingham. So in many ways it should be a build comparable to my Norman Rapide. Pedals might be these, by Phillips: Brakes almost certainly these, by GB (sorry the levers are out of focus!): I'm not finding any photos of my headset; but it's a very nice but rather plain chromed steel one. The crank might be a Williams C34, or something very similar, with a Hercules chain ring. You should be able to find the crank arms pretty easily, and cheaply. The Hercules chain ring will be trickier. But you can easily get a 44T aluminum disk chain ring and (less easily) cut the desired shape into it, as I did for my RRA crank. Assuming you're as crazy as I am which, for your sake and your wife's, I hope you aren't. Mudguards might be Brittons, with the Hercules badge stamped on the back somewhere: I agree wholeheartedly that many of the components will be similar, if not identical, to your Norman. And HOLY CRAP!!! I love the chainring you created. That is really impressive. It never ceases to amaze me at what an artisan you are, seriously! |
I really, really dig this clubman style with the IGH. I'm probably going to do something like this with my Mercier.
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Originally Posted by rhenning
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This is my version of the British Club Racer based on a fillet brazed chrome moly prewar Schwinn World frame. Roger
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Here are some more pictures of the bike and it is a nice ride. If you right click or double click on the pictures they should get bigger. It is an interesting bike as it is a 1941 World frame that was optioned with a Superior crankset in it. Roger
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Originally Posted by rhenning
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Here are some more pictures of the bike and it is a nice ride. If you right click or double click on the pictures they should get bigger. It is an interesting bike as it is a 1941 World frame that was optioned with a Superior crankset in it. Roger
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Originally Posted by lostarchitect
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I really, really dig this clubman style with the IGH. I'm probably going to do something like this with my Mercier.
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Originally Posted by rhm
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Congratulations!
I'm guessing that bike came with a number of Hercules specific components, but many of them may have been from related suppliers, especially in Birimingham. So in many ways it should be a build comparable to my Norman Rapide. Brakes almost certainly these, by GB (sorry the levers are out of focus!):http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2578/...a10b3347_b.jpg a |
That's a nice looking Rapide- I got hold of a set of original decals/transfers recently ('Quick-fix type'), for a Norman Invader; but they're folded over, and stuck together! Hopefully, they might still be useable!?
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Originally Posted by clubman
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Your Norman is my favourite bike on BF. It's original, complete, detailed, subdued, graceful, stunning, etc, etc. The perfect Brit bike.
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Wow, you are making great progress! It would be amazing if this were the correct badge. I am not sure how I got it. The old brit club stuff is so cool. I think a lot about making one from scratch.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7141/6...b04bfbc733.jpg 29 144 by barnstormerbikes, on Flickr |
Originally Posted by MikeG41
(Post 13612571)
Are those Solite hubs in your avatar, Mr. Clubman, if you don't mind me asking!?
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Originally Posted by ftwelder
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Wow, you are making great progress! It would be amazing if this were the correct badge. I am not sure how I got it. The old brit club stuff is so cool. I think a lot about making one from scratch.
About that badge... I think it would be an appropriate fit for the bike given its vintage, though another 1949 Kestrel that I found on flickr has the badge pictured below. That badge is a little different, but I doubt anyone but the most rabid Hercules fanatic would notice were it affixed to the Kestrel. http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2617/4...f400065d_z.jpg badge by guildbass, on Flickr |
Originally Posted by photogravity
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Thanks Frank. Yes, so far the progress has been pretty good at identifying the make and year of the bike... The hard part is going to be making it roadworthy. Rather than try to get wheels that are period correct, I think I'm going to lace a set of Sun CR-18's to vintage hubs because the 26x1-1/4" rims are extremely difficult to find. I'm collecting a list of parts that I'll need for the bike and am currently investigating who I'm going to have repaint the bike. I spoke with Brian at Circle A Cycles in the past about painting one of my other Hercules bicycles and they are at the top of my list at this point in time for the repaint unless someone else has a better suggestion that doesn't include me painting the bike. ;)
About that badge... I think it would be an appropriate fit for the bike given its vintage, though another 1949 Kestrel that I found on flickr has the badge pictured below. That badge is a little different, but I doubt anyone but the most rabid Hercules fanatic would notice were it affixed to the Kestrel. http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2617/4...f400065d_z.jpg badge by guildbass, on Flickr I think the cranks on the Kestrel Club would have been Hercules' own, plus the chain-ring, of course. The catalogue specs seem to indicate steel brakes, and pedals. I have ONE of the Phillips 'Philite' pedals shown above, plus a pair of spare alloy end-caps! The pedals on my 1951 Kestrel Tourist Ladies' Model were the Phillips alloy type that have glass cats-eyes on the back & front, and hard rubber pads, which were quite brittle. I was lucky enough to get a set of NOS pads in a Raleigh box, recently, for £5. 'Repros' I've seen are horrible soft rubber things! These type are sometimes known as 'Moulton pedals'. The GB Hiduminium brakes were fitted to the Maestro ('Massed Start' Model), Super Club, Senior Club, & Eileen Sheridan 'Autographed Machine' (ladies' frame). Hiduminium was an aluminium/aluminum alloy made by High Duty Alloys in Slough, England, primarily for the aircraft industry. It was one of the 'RR' (Rolls Royce) Alloys. |
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4015/4...5e0_z.jpg?zz=1
1951 Hercules Kestrel Tourist (ladies') by Mike Gerrish, on Flickr The mudguards/fenders may indeed be by Brittons- they are more fragile than Bluemels' items. The pump is almost certainly by Apex. http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4056/4...539_z.jpg?zz=1 1951 Hercules Kestrel Tourist (ladies') by Mike Gerrish, on Flickr |
I love these old brit bikes.. Was there a thread on that Norman at some point?
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Frank, the thread Rudi started on the forums is here: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...elievable-find
It's a great thread for anyone that is even mildly interested in old British steel, as we are. :) |
Originally Posted by MikeG41
(Post 13613874)
The mudguards/fenders may indeed be by Brittons- they are more fragile than Bluemels' items.
The pump is almost certainly by Apex. |
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