Ladie's Hercules Conundrum
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Ladie's Hercules Conundrum
Late last week, I managed to win an eBay auction for a Ladies Hercules bicycle. The bike has Raleigh lugs and a Sturmey AW hub dated 64 12. However, the headbadge says Birmingham instead of Nottingham. This is strange in that I thought all the production of Hercules bicycles had moved to Nottingham in the early 1960's.
Does anyone know if TI was still producing bicycles in Birmingham as late as 1964 or even 1965? This bike is no doubt a Raleigh frame, but the headbadge is confusing me to no end and it looks as if it belongs on the bike to me. There are no signs that the badge has been replaced as best I can tell. Also of note is that the bike has the Raleigh style mudguards with the brazed on stays instead of the wire stays which were standard on Hercules bikes even after the TI merger. As an aside, I have a 1964 Hercules Cruiser that Frank the Welder gave me which has a Nottingham badge affixed.
Anyone have any ideas on this? Pictures follow...
Ladie's 1964 Hercules Headbadge by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
Ladie's 1964 Hercules - 1 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
Ladie's 1964 Hercules - 2 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
Ladie's 1964 Hercules - 3 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
Does anyone know if TI was still producing bicycles in Birmingham as late as 1964 or even 1965? This bike is no doubt a Raleigh frame, but the headbadge is confusing me to no end and it looks as if it belongs on the bike to me. There are no signs that the badge has been replaced as best I can tell. Also of note is that the bike has the Raleigh style mudguards with the brazed on stays instead of the wire stays which were standard on Hercules bikes even after the TI merger. As an aside, I have a 1964 Hercules Cruiser that Frank the Welder gave me which has a Nottingham badge affixed.
Anyone have any ideas on this? Pictures follow...
Ladie's 1964 Hercules Headbadge by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
Ladie's 1964 Hercules - 1 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
Ladie's 1964 Hercules - 2 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
Ladie's 1964 Hercules - 3 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
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I think there are too many possibilities here. it could be a frame that was produced before the move and assembled later. despite moving the 'old' headbadges were still used. the bike is a earlier model and the rear wheel was replaced at some point.
looks like a great little bike
looks like a great little bike
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Everything on that bike looks absolutely original. I'd think they were just using up existing stock.
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I think there are too many possibilities here. it could be a frame that was produced before the move and assembled later. despite moving the 'old' headbadges were still used. the bike is a earlier model and the rear wheel was replaced at some point.
looks like a great little bike
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I wish there was better history about the transition of production from Birmingham to Nottingham. It seems that with the sheer volume of bikes being made between the BCC brands and those that were part of Raleigh, the production may have gone for a long while as they consolidated operations, but that is just speculation...
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Clubman is probably right. I've had a 60's Herc with a Birmingham badge, they aren't that rare.
Raleigh must have inherited a million nice badges and kept using them.
Raleigh must have inherited a million nice badges and kept using them.
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Does it have a steel fulcrum with the plastic pulley for the gear cable? 1964 was the transition year for them.
I have a 1964 AMF Hercules that is very similar. I would suspect leftover badges, frame production moved to Raleigh, assembly still being done in Birmingham, without being there who knows.
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I have a 1964 AMF Hercules that is very similar. I would suspect leftover badges, frame production moved to Raleigh, assembly still being done in Birmingham, without being there who knows.
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Don:t count on those badges being related to where it was made, My 1975 Raleigh head badge says Nottingham, but the serial number says it was built in Canada....
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It is interesting that you have a Canadian build Raleigh with a Nottingham headbadge, but I'm guessing that may have been somewhat common since we are talking about a brand that just moved production facilities overseas. In the case of Hercules, it is a bit more complex because they had just merged with the Raleigh and it appears they were moving their production facilities.
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Does it have a steel fulcrum with the plastic pulley for the gear cable? 1964 was the transition year for them.
I have a 1964 AMF Hercules that is very similar. I would suspect leftover badges, frame production moved to Raleigh, assembly still being done in Birmingham, without being there who knows.
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I have a 1964 AMF Hercules that is very similar. I would suspect leftover badges, frame production moved to Raleigh, assembly still being done in Birmingham, without being there who knows.
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As I'm thinking some more about this, and admittedly I'm probably thinking too hard about it, there is one commonality between the Hercules on your picture and the one I have: They are both step-through frames or ladies bikes. I have a theory (likely not a very good one) that they moved the production of gents bikes to Nottingham first and that ladies bikes continued to be produced in Birmingham for a while afterwards. That's the best I can come up with right now.
Ladie's 1964 Hercules Fulcrum by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
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You can buy steel replacement pulleys from ABCE (look down the page) I think the price is very reasonable. I have replaced most if not all of my fulcrums and pulleys with the steel version, just one less thing to worry about.
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Almost forgot...I do have another step through Herc, but it is at least 10 years older and I am sure it was really built in Birmingham
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I'm willing to believe that the location on the headbadges had nothing to do with the frame's location of origin. More likely than not, it was kept unchanged as a nod to the original origins of the brand (not to mention as a sly - and not necessarily honest - sales tactic). It'd also save on tooling too.
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You can buy steel replacement pulleys from ABCE (look down the page) I think the price is very reasonable. I have replaced most if not all of my fulcrums and pulleys with the steel version, just one less thing to worry about.
About that red and white ladies Hercules: What is the stamping on the hub? I'd think it still has the original Hercules hub. I'd also be very interested to see what the rear dropouts look like. Also, how is the overall condition of the paint? It seems the Hercules red paint was especially fragile based on my Hercules Lion and one that Velognome has or, perhaps, had.
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I'm willing to believe that the location on the headbadges had nothing to do with the frame's location of origin. More likely than not, it was kept unchanged as a nod to the original origins of the brand (not to mention as a sly - and not necessarily honest - sales tactic). It'd also save on tooling too.
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Not to be a curmudgeon here, but as I see it:
1964 bike with Birmingham headbadge: interesting datum point.
All this speculation: not so much.
1964 bike with Birmingham headbadge: interesting datum point.
All this speculation: not so much.
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I might add that some of the bikes in the 1964 Raleigh range were subject to the same two-tone headtube and tapered spire designs as on the OP's '64 Hercules.
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Every single bike shown in this thread has definitively post-TI, Nottingham-production features (with exception to the aftermarket chainguard on the OP's example).
I might add that some of the bikes in the 1964 Raleigh range were subject to the same two-tone headtube and tapered spire designs as on the OP's '64 Hercules.
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I might add that some of the bikes in the 1964 Raleigh range were subject to the same two-tone headtube and tapered spire designs as on the OP's '64 Hercules.
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On the other hand, these frames have every hallmark of a TI-era Raleigh: Double-scalloped lugs, peaked front fender, spot-welded fender stays, Raleigh pattern brakes, Endrick base-model rims, paint jobs (1964), Raleigh S22/S22L-spec saddle, Sturmey-Archer rear reflector consistent with period Raleighs, and the same exact fork crown used on TI/Raleigh-built Robin Hoods, Dunelts and Triumphs.
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That makes good sense and I wouldn't doubt that there may have been some of that happening with their production lines.
It is interesting that you have a Canadian build Raleigh with a Nottingham headbadge, but I'm guessing that may have been somewhat common since we are talking about a brand that just moved production facilities overseas. In the case of Hercules, it is a bit more complex because they had just merged with the Raleigh and it appears they were moving their production facilities.
It is interesting that you have a Canadian build Raleigh with a Nottingham headbadge, but I'm guessing that may have been somewhat common since we are talking about a brand that just moved production facilities overseas. In the case of Hercules, it is a bit more complex because they had just merged with the Raleigh and it appears they were moving their production facilities.
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There were some clones built here in Canada worthy of the name but by the 1980's, the wheels were falling off and some of the Sports models coming out of Quebec were just horrible. Paint, chrome, components, steel, pretty much crap. They were somewhat indicative the overall decline suffered by Raleigh but some of those bikes were barely Walmart (Kmart?) worthy at best.
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Up until the mid 1980's there were high tariffs on bicycles imported into Canada, but not on bicycle parts, so what companies like Raleigh did, was set up assembly plants, so all the parts came from England, and were then assembled domestically. Sekine successfully did the same thing initially, but the parts came from Japan. An English built and Canadian built Raleigh were identical except for the assembly plant and possibly a different model name that was more palatable to the French parts of Canada. I would guess they didn't build enough of them to make a different head badge. What is interesting is that the missus' bike also a Raleigh has no name on the head badge, just lines, where the name would go. IIRC it was made in Malaysia according to the serial number.
Interesting! I think the tariffs in the US might have been the opposite!
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There were some clones built here in Canada worthy of the name but by the 1980's, the wheels were falling off and some of the Sports models coming out of Quebec were just horrible. Paint, chrome, components, steel, pretty much crap. They were somewhat indicative the overall decline suffered by Raleigh but some of those bikes were barely Walmart (Kmart?) worthy at best.
The 1980's jobs that state "Made in Canada" are Taiwan-inspired junkers like any other Wally-World deal.
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