Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 01-07-12, 03:52 PM   #1
Daveyates
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Daveyates's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Paris France
Bikes:
Posts: 1,338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I've just returned from an old French barn!

With two bikes.

One is a 1937 race bike with a flip flop rear wheel with two cogs.

The other is a porteur.

Photos coming.
Daveyates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 03:56 PM   #2
prettyshady
12345
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: south france
Bikes:
Posts: 1,249
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
nice! looking forward to the photos
prettyshady is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 04:00 PM   #3
Daveyates
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Daveyates's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Paris France
Bikes:
Posts: 1,338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The photos aren't very good though as it's night time and i had to use flash.
Daveyates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 04:01 PM   #4
Daveyates
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Daveyates's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Paris France
Bikes:
Posts: 1,338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)

Last edited by Daveyates; 01-07-12 at 04:06 PM.
Daveyates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 04:14 PM   #5
Daveyates
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Daveyates's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Paris France
Bikes:
Posts: 1,338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The headbadge

Daveyates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 04:15 PM   #6
pamaguahiker 
Senior Member
 
pamaguahiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Pennsylvania
Bikes: 2014 VeloOrange Campeur. 1992 Bianchi SBX record equipped, late 90s Bianchi Cyclocross cro-mo frameset modified to touring, 1993 Bianchi Project 5, 80s Holdsworth Gemini Tandem
Posts: 470
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
I always love finding bikes like this...but i never stumble upon any in my area. Time to break out the polish and start cleaning. So what is your plan with them?
pamaguahiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 04:19 PM   #7
Daveyates
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Daveyates's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Paris France
Bikes:
Posts: 1,338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by pamaguahiker View Post
I always love finding bikes like this...but i never stumble upon any in my area. Time to break out the polish and start cleaning. So what is your plan with them?
I haven't any plan at the moment except to clean and polish as you suggested and to work out how to take a buckle out of a wooden rim!
I originally went looking for a Randonneur bike but found these two instead.
Daveyates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 04:20 PM   #8
Daveyates
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Daveyates's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Paris France
Bikes:
Posts: 1,338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Could this be the original sellers plaque from a shop??

Daveyates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 04:25 PM   #9
YoKev
hi
 
YoKev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Kingston, NY
Bikes:
Posts: 2,605
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
I love your posts because you always come through with pictures. Thanks for sharing!
YoKev is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 04:29 PM   #10
Daveyates
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Daveyates's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Paris France
Bikes:
Posts: 1,338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks YoKev!
Daveyates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 04:31 PM   #11
Daveyates
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Daveyates's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Paris France
Bikes:
Posts: 1,338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)


Daveyates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 04:32 PM   #12
randyjawa 
Senior Member
 
randyjawa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada - burrrrr!
Bikes: 1982 Tomassini, 1963 Peugeot PX10, and eight special issue Canadian lightweights...
Posts: 7,448
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 106 Post(s)
Wow! I too love to find bikes like that. Sadly, most of the stuff I find in Thunder Bay is from the seventies and eighties, with a bit of the sixties, and a whiff of fifties thrown in, for good measure. The race bike is stunning and will be even more so in a short while I bet;-)

Congrats!
__________________
Learn how to find, restore and maintain vintage road bicycles at... MY "TEN SPEEDS"
randyjawa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 04:37 PM   #13
Daveyates
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Daveyates's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Paris France
Bikes:
Posts: 1,338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Thanks Randy!

Would this bike of been a fixed gear racer?
I thought the rear wheel was fixed on one side and freewheel on the other , but this one has a freewheel on either side.
I haven't checked but maybe they are different ratios? Or the fixed cog was replaced with a freewheel cog?
Any ideas what originally it would of been?
Daveyates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 04:45 PM   #14
pamaguahiker 
Senior Member
 
pamaguahiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Pennsylvania
Bikes: 2014 VeloOrange Campeur. 1992 Bianchi SBX record equipped, late 90s Bianchi Cyclocross cro-mo frameset modified to touring, 1993 Bianchi Project 5, 80s Holdsworth Gemini Tandem
Posts: 470
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Yea, it would probably be fixed both sides, just an easier gear. That was common. It appears to be an old racer. Beautiful shape overall, love the head badge, and that could indeed be a original plaque. Quite an impressive find. The stem is very cool also. 1937, just a few years later and all hell broke loose. I wonder how long that bike had been tucked away? I don't find bikes in the states, i did find my Dnepr about a mile from where i live...
http://s1105.photobucket.com/albums/...er/My%20Dnepr/ My Dnepr

Keep posting. I am looking forward to seeing the rims, tires, etc. Thanks for sharing!
pamaguahiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 04:49 PM   #15
Daveyates
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Daveyates's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Paris France
Bikes:
Posts: 1,338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Your Dnepr is a beast!

Ok for more photos but i bought the bike without tyres and added some when i got home , so these aren't period.
Also it came with fenders in the same colour as the bike but the seller thought they weren't original.
I removed them earlier.
Daveyates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 04:55 PM   #16
Chombi 
Senior Member
 
Chombi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Bikes: 1986 Alan Record Carbonio, 1985 Vitus Plus Carbone 7, 1984 Peugeot PSV, 1972 Line Seeker, 1986(est.) Medici Aerodynamic (Project), 1985(est.) Peugeot PY10FC
Posts: 10,941
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 50 Post(s)
Congrats on the fine time capsule bikes aquisition Dave! Such nice finds only come once in a lifetime for most and for many, not even.
I was in Spain, Italy, France and the UK over the Holidays and I could not even spot decent C&V bikes on the street the whole time I was there! For some reason, I see more in the streets of San Francisco.

Chombi
Chombi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 04:57 PM   #17
Daveyates
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Daveyates's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Paris France
Bikes:
Posts: 1,338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)


Daveyates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 05:00 PM   #18
Daveyates
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Daveyates's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Paris France
Bikes:
Posts: 1,338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chombi View Post
Congrats on the fine time capsule bikes aquisition Dave! Such nice finds only come once in a lifetime for most and for many, not even.
I was in Spain, Italy, France and the UK over the Holidays and I could not even spot decent C&V bikes on the street the whole time I was there! For some reason, I see more in the streets of San Francisco.

Chombi
Thanks, shame you didn't find anything while you were over here!
To be honest most of the bikes i see around Paris on the streets are modern bikes and fixed gears.
Sometimes i see old ten speeds but not too often.
But for the vintage stuff you have to search leboncoin or trocvelo or pignonfixe websites.
Daveyates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 05:00 PM   #19
randyjawa 
Senior Member
 
randyjawa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada - burrrrr!
Bikes: 1982 Tomassini, 1963 Peugeot PX10, and eight special issue Canadian lightweights...
Posts: 7,448
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 106 Post(s)
Quote:
Would this bike of been a fixed gear racer?
I thought the rear wheel was fixed on one side and freewheel on the other , but this one has a freewheel on either side.
I haven't checked but maybe they are different ratios? Or the fixed cog was replaced with a freewheel cog?
Any ideas what originally it would of been?
That set-up was the earliest derailleur. When you got to the top of the hill, you jumped off of the bike, turned the rear wheel around and went down the other side but with a smaller freewheel cog to allow for greater speed. At least that would be my guess.

I recall a story about Campagnolo, or someone, having trouble flipping the wheel during a race because his fingers were too cold. The first derailleur was invented not long after that incident.

Or so my memory recalls, I think, I can't remember.

Again, what a great find! You must be having lots of fun. And I thought I was doing good when I picked up a Nishiki International at the Dump today.
__________________
Learn how to find, restore and maintain vintage road bicycles at... MY "TEN SPEEDS"
randyjawa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 05:06 PM   #20
catmandew52
Senior Member
 
catmandew52's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: S. E. Michigan
Bikes:
Posts: 517
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
The "headbadge" in the first picture, may not be the maker. There is a bicycle shop in Paris with a logo very similar to that badge. http://translate.google.com/translat...26prmd%3Dimvns They are the oldest bike shop in Paris.
They may have had a local framebuilder make the frame for them, back in the day.

With a two freewheel flip-flop hub, more than likely it was not a track bike. Probably just a semi racer, with two gear ranges, for flats and hills.

Still, Great Find!
catmandew52 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 05:09 PM   #21
Daveyates
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Daveyates's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Paris France
Bikes:
Posts: 1,338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I think the saddle has seen better days.



Is it normal for frames of this age to be lugless?
Does it mean a sign of quality or were a lot of bikes lugless back then?

Daveyates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 05:15 PM   #22
Daveyates
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Daveyates's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Paris France
Bikes:
Posts: 1,338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by catmandew52 View Post
The "headbadge" in the first picture, may not be the maker. There is a bicycle shop in Paris with a logo very similar to that badge. http://translate.google.com/translat...26prmd%3Dimvns They are the oldest bike shop in Paris.
They may have had a local framebuilder make the frame for them, back in the day.

With a two freewheel flip-flop hub, more than likely it was not a track bike. Probably just a semi racer, with two gear ranges, for flats and hills.

Still, Great Find!
Hey thanks for the info!!

I think you are right and i done a search and found this other bike by them though it is a bit newer http://forum.tontonvelo.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2170
Daveyates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 05:18 PM   #23
catmandew52
Senior Member
 
catmandew52's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: S. E. Michigan
Bikes:
Posts: 517
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Could be fillet brazed, or maybe internally lugged. Without a complete strip and/or internal examination could be hard to tell.

I wonder if the badge on the top tube was the original owners property tag?

If you are in Paris, you might want to give La Gazelle a call, or show the bike to them. Maybe some history there.

Last edited by catmandew52; 01-07-12 at 05:23 PM.
catmandew52 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 05:21 PM   #24
Daveyates
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Daveyates's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Paris France
Bikes:
Posts: 1,338
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by catmandew52 View Post
Could be fillet brazed, or maybe internally lugged. Without a complete strip and/or internal examination could be hard to tell.

I wonder if the badge on the top tube was the original owners property tag?
Maybe, i have come across these in the past but never this old or fancy.
Plus if the head badge is the maker and the shop then the other badge must be the original owner's badge surely.
Daveyates is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-12, 06:00 PM   #25
auchencrow 
Senior Member
 
auchencrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Detroit
Bikes:
Posts: 10,330
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Fantastic find there Daveyates!

Are those wine corks in the bar ends? If so there is not doubt that they're "vintage" too.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveyates View Post
....
But for the vintage stuff you have to search leboncoin or trocvelo or pignonfixe websites.
PS- I tried searching one of these sites ^ for a PX10 and it cursed me out! See?
"Si vous effectuez une recherche par mots-clés, vérifiez bien qu'il n'y a pas de faute de frappe."
__________________
- Auchen
auchencrow is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:16 PM.