Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 01-07-12, 09:56 PM   #1
photogravity 
Hopelessly addicted...
Thread Starter
 
photogravity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Maryland
Bikes: 1949 Hercules Kestrel, 1950 Norman Rapide, 1970 Schwinn Collegiate, 1972 Peugeot UE-8, 1976 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Jack Taylor Tandem, 1984 Davidson Tandem, 2010 Bilenky "BQ" 650B Constructeur Tandem, 2011 Linus Mixte
Posts: 5,008
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Is This A Chater-Lea Crankset?

Today I managed to pick up a set of cranks from a gentleman in Baltimore to use for one of my bike projects. I believe these are Chater-Lea cranks, but there are no stampings on the cranks or the chainwheel.

Are there any experts out there that can offer an informed opinion as to whether these are Chater-Lea or not?

EDIT: I had this thread re-named because I think the title was confusing.


Crank/Chainwheel Set - 1 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr


Crank/Chainwheel Set - 2 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr


Crank/Chainwheel Set - 3 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr


Crank/Chainwheel Set - 4 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr


Crank/Chainwheel Set - 5 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr


Crank/Chainwheel Set - 6 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr


Crank/Chainwheel Set - 7 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr


Crank/Chainwheel Set - 8 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
__________________
--
Ridding the world of derailleurs, one bicycle at a time.

46 Hercules Roadster, 49 Hercules Kestrel, 50 Norman Rapide, 51 Hercules Lion, 52 Hercules Windsor, 56 Hercules Royal Prince, 61 Fiorelli Tandem, 67 Carlton Super Race (IGH), 70 Schwinn Collegiate (IGH), 71 Hercules, 71 STF Hercules, 72 Peugeot PX-8 (IGH), 76 Raleigh Sports, 77 STF Raleigh Sports, 77 Jack Taylor Tandem, Early-80's Mike Appel SC, 84 Davidson Tandem, Late-80's Alpine, 10 Bilenky "BQ" Signature Tandem

Last edited by photogravity; 01-08-12 at 06:20 PM.
photogravity is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-12, 06:20 PM   #2
photogravity 
Hopelessly addicted...
Thread Starter
 
photogravity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Maryland
Bikes: 1949 Hercules Kestrel, 1950 Norman Rapide, 1970 Schwinn Collegiate, 1972 Peugeot UE-8, 1976 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Jack Taylor Tandem, 1984 Davidson Tandem, 2010 Bilenky "BQ" 650B Constructeur Tandem, 2011 Linus Mixte
Posts: 5,008
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
bump
__________________
--
Ridding the world of derailleurs, one bicycle at a time.

46 Hercules Roadster, 49 Hercules Kestrel, 50 Norman Rapide, 51 Hercules Lion, 52 Hercules Windsor, 56 Hercules Royal Prince, 61 Fiorelli Tandem, 67 Carlton Super Race (IGH), 70 Schwinn Collegiate (IGH), 71 Hercules, 71 STF Hercules, 72 Peugeot PX-8 (IGH), 76 Raleigh Sports, 77 STF Raleigh Sports, 77 Jack Taylor Tandem, Early-80's Mike Appel SC, 84 Davidson Tandem, Late-80's Alpine, 10 Bilenky "BQ" Signature Tandem
photogravity is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-12, 06:39 PM   #3
clubman 
Youngman Grande
 
clubman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Bikes: roadsters, club bikes, fixed and classic
Posts: 3,057
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 48 Post(s)
FWIW, I'm no expert but in many years of Brit bike browsing, I've never heard any references to Chater Lea making after market parts. Component designs were knocked off all the time it seems. It looks well made.
clubman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-12, 07:34 PM   #4
photogravity 
Hopelessly addicted...
Thread Starter
 
photogravity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Maryland
Bikes: 1949 Hercules Kestrel, 1950 Norman Rapide, 1970 Schwinn Collegiate, 1972 Peugeot UE-8, 1976 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Jack Taylor Tandem, 1984 Davidson Tandem, 2010 Bilenky "BQ" 650B Constructeur Tandem, 2011 Linus Mixte
Posts: 5,008
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Clubman, I know there was a nearly identical similar set there but with Schwinn stampings, which he seemed to think was pulled off a Paramount or Superior. I did not realize Chater-Lea did not produce components for builders like Raleigh, Hercules, etc.

Do you have any thoughts on who may have manufactured this?
__________________
--
Ridding the world of derailleurs, one bicycle at a time.

46 Hercules Roadster, 49 Hercules Kestrel, 50 Norman Rapide, 51 Hercules Lion, 52 Hercules Windsor, 56 Hercules Royal Prince, 61 Fiorelli Tandem, 67 Carlton Super Race (IGH), 70 Schwinn Collegiate (IGH), 71 Hercules, 71 STF Hercules, 72 Peugeot PX-8 (IGH), 76 Raleigh Sports, 77 STF Raleigh Sports, 77 Jack Taylor Tandem, Early-80's Mike Appel SC, 84 Davidson Tandem, Late-80's Alpine, 10 Bilenky "BQ" Signature Tandem
photogravity is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-12, 07:59 PM   #5
Velognome 
Get off my lawn!
 
Velognome's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Garden State
Bikes: 1917 Loomis, 1923 Rudge, 1930 Hercules Renown, 1947 Mclean, 1948 JA Holland, 1955 Hetchins, 1957 Carlton Flyer, 1962 Raleigh Sport, 1978&81 Raleigh Gomp GS', 2010 Raliegh Clubman
Posts: 6,117
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
My limited experince is that they would be marked as such, also the casting does not look as finished as you would expect. They are nice though!!
Velognome is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-12, 08:04 PM   #6
clubman 
Youngman Grande
 
clubman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Bikes: roadsters, club bikes, fixed and classic
Posts: 3,057
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 48 Post(s)
Don't really have a clue. Nicklin usually had an N stamped on the back, Durax made a similar chain set but different orientation of the arms. Not Williams either. I have a set of hollowed out arms called Featherweights but they're 5 pin.

Are you thinking about using these on the Kestrel? They'd work until you find the ones you want. Good quality steel chain sets are hard to find on this side of the pond. Keep checking Hilary Stones web page?
clubman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-12, 11:07 PM   #7
photogravity 
Hopelessly addicted...
Thread Starter
 
photogravity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Central Maryland
Bikes: 1949 Hercules Kestrel, 1950 Norman Rapide, 1970 Schwinn Collegiate, 1972 Peugeot UE-8, 1976 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Raleigh Sports, 1977 Jack Taylor Tandem, 1984 Davidson Tandem, 2010 Bilenky "BQ" 650B Constructeur Tandem, 2011 Linus Mixte
Posts: 5,008
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by clubman View Post
Don't really have a clue. Nicklin usually had an N stamped on the back, Durax made a similar chain set but different orientation of the arms. Not Williams either. I have a set of hollowed out arms called Featherweights but they're 5 pin.

Are you thinking about using these on the Kestrel? They'd work until you find the ones you want. Good quality steel chain sets are hard to find on this side of the pond. Keep checking Hilary Stones web page?
I'm pretty confused by the set myself because there seems not to be anything identifying a brand anywhere that I can see. Oh well, I'll just have to settle for knowing they are a nice crankset.

I am thinking about using them on the Kestrel at least for the interim. It may be that I'll just keep them on the bike since I think they'll be a period correct part. I dug through a bunch of 3 pin cranksets like the Williams, but was having a hard time finding matching arms so this is what I ended up with.

As an aside, I managed to get a Kestrel saddle for the bike which should be on my doorstep by Tuesday.
__________________
--
Ridding the world of derailleurs, one bicycle at a time.

46 Hercules Roadster, 49 Hercules Kestrel, 50 Norman Rapide, 51 Hercules Lion, 52 Hercules Windsor, 56 Hercules Royal Prince, 61 Fiorelli Tandem, 67 Carlton Super Race (IGH), 70 Schwinn Collegiate (IGH), 71 Hercules, 71 STF Hercules, 72 Peugeot PX-8 (IGH), 76 Raleigh Sports, 77 STF Raleigh Sports, 77 Jack Taylor Tandem, Early-80's Mike Appel SC, 84 Davidson Tandem, Late-80's Alpine, 10 Bilenky "BQ" Signature Tandem
photogravity is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-12, 07:21 AM   #8
rhm
multimodal commuter
 
rhm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: NJ, NYC, LI
Bikes: 1940s Fothergill, 1959 Allegro Special, 1963? Claud Butler Olympic Sprint, Lambert 'Clubman', 1974 Fuji "the Ace", 1976 Holdsworth 650b conversion rando bike, 1983 Trek 720 tourer, 1984 Counterpoint Opus II, 1993 Basso Gap, 2010 Downtube 8h, and...
Posts: 15,744
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 62 Post(s)
I have seen enough parts (in photos) that have CHATER LEA stamped on them to form an idea that all Chater Lea parts have such stampings. So its absence here tells me no, those are not Chater Lea. I see no reason to think the crank and the chain ring are not from the same manufacturer, do you? Chater Lea rings, like their pedals, have CL cut into the design.

Very nice, though. You done good.
rhm is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:50 PM.