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Old 01-09-12, 07:34 PM   #1
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VO Model 3 Touring Saddles on Sale - Any Problems with these

VO has the Black Model 3 touring saddle (same dimensions as the B17) on sale for $65, versus $85 normal price. Has anyone had problems with these in the past 12 to 18 months like
Leather pulling off of rivets
Excessive sagging
Other problems

I remember problems in the 2007 and 2008 time frame with excessive sagging. It appeared to be a production problem and maybe htey worked out the problems.

I have not seen anything in recent months. At $65, they may be worth a second look.

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I got my mom the 3 (on sale for $58, so why not?). She finds it very comfortable, and has had no problems. However, she is very light and is only a recreational rider. As far as durability goes; for that price, even if it's shorter lived, who cares?
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I have two of their saddles including one of that model. It's held up well for 2 years thusfar. The other is just fine after 3 years as well. The leather is thinner than Brooks saddles, but has a a laminate underneath to help support it. Once broken in there really isn't any comfort difference. I happen to like having the rails be all chrome and not black enameled too.
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John, I'm a big fan of Velo Orange and many of the products they've brought to market. That said, the VO saddles (made by Gyes) are inferior to Brooks, in my opinion. I have owned the Model 1.

The Model 3 is $65, but a tried and true B17 Standard is only $20 more. Pack a couple lunches and you've saved the difference.
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These are only $68! Buy one and learn the hard way that there's no substitute for a genuine Brooks. I did.

http://www.bikemania.biz/ProductDeta...sons_77_DELUXE
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Ok guys, I got the message. The VO saddles are not worth the risk, even at the sale price. Thanks for the input.

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These are only $68! Buy one and learn the hard way that there's no substitute for a genuine Brooks. I did.

http://www.bikemania.biz/ProductDeta...sons_77_DELUXE
No substitute especially when the description has grammatical errors!

The Persons-Majestic Company has brought back it's line of saddles from years gone by.

Unlike the traditional Brooks saddles, the Person traditional saddle used a 5mm allen key for leather tightening and they are a few centimeters shorter.
In essence an technically improved traditional saddle.
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The Persons link is http://www.permaco.com, click on saddles.

They give dimensions as 170 mm wide (B17 is 173 per VO) and 270 mm long (B17 is 285). The quote $58.

Anyone try a Persons? The length is 15 mm shorter. I don't know if that affects it much

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No substitute especially when the description has grammatical errors!

The Persons-Majestic Company has brought back it's line of saddles from years gone by.

Unlike the traditional Brooks saddles, the Person traditional saddle used a 5mm allen key for leather tightening and they are a few centimeters shorter.
In essence an technically improved traditional saddle.

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/when-to-use-an/
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No substitute especially when the description has grammatical errors!

The Persons-Majestic Company has brought back it's line of saddles from years gone by.

Unlike the traditional Brooks saddles, the Person traditional saddle used a 5mm allen key for leather tightening and they are a few centimeters shorter.
In essence an technically improved traditional saddle.
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Awesome.

Did I just get schooled on grammar? Why is it "an" if a consonant follows? School me. I've never heard it like that.

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Awesome.

Did I just get schooled on grammar? Why is it "an" if a consonant follows? School me. I've never heard it like that.
I don't think it is. I didn't take that from skimming the article, anyway. I thought the architect was giving you a cyber high five. FWIW, what bugged me more than the "an" was the "it's." That just makes my teeth itch.
The Stalin thing has, of course, little to no relevance. I just can't keep myself from jumping on the pile when we're talking grammar.
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Awesome.

Did I just get schooled on grammar? Why is it "an" if a consonant follows? School me. I've never heard it like that.
"An" is famously difficult for Americans. We're all taught in elementary school to use "an" before a vowel and "a" otherwise. That's correct, but limited. The post explains it. I actually initially thought "an technically" might be correct, but it seems you were right. I wasn't so much schooling or high-fiving you as saying, "dang, this is more complex than it seems!"
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"An" is famously difficult for Americans. We're all taught in elementary school to use "an" before a vowel and "a" otherwise. That's correct, but limited. The post explains it. I actually initially thought "an technically" might be correct, but it seems you were right. I wasn't so much schooling or high-fiving you as saying, "dang, this is more complex than it seems!"
Whew! I was worried because I hate it when past-education crumbles before me. Like when you were taught in chemistry that the octect rule doesn't always appl-... nevermind.

We have gone off topic but Eats, Shoots & Leaves by Lynne Truss is a great read.
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Whew! I was worried because I hate it when past-education crumbles before me. Like when you were taught in chemistry that the octect rule doesn't always appl-... nevermind.

We have gone off topic but Eats, Shoots & Leaves by Lynne Truss is a great read.
Yes it is. I've lent out two copies, and I haven't gotten either one back!
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Whew! I was worried because I hate it when past-education crumbles before me. Like when you were taught in chemistry that the octect rule doesn't always appl-... nevermind.

We have gone off topic but Eats, Shoots & Leaves by Lynne Truss is a great read.
An interesting read, but I can't quite call it a great read when she disrespects the Oxford comma so. That's something that needs to stick around. I was taught that it was an if it's followed by a vowel sound, so "an hour" is correct while "an happy" is not (also an before many abreviations that are names), though lately, I've been hearing news broadcasters use an before any word beginning with an h no matter whether it's pronounced or not. That "an historic occasion" that I've been hearing more and more of just sets my teeth on edge.

Back on topic, I originally was planning on going brooks, but the rest of the build is overshooting the budget, so I've been thinking about chancing it on a gyes as I do hear a number of positive things, but am not so sure. Too bad I missed the sale on the VO saddles as I've been planning on buying fenders from them anyway (yup, that's one of the many things that's pushing my build out of the budget-might have to go with silvery plastic sks longboards instead to save $15-20).

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