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Old 01-23-12, 09:23 AM   #1
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Do you know this bike? Or have any information about it?

Hi people!

A collector told me that this bike is a PX-10, but this weekend I was talking to a restorer, and he told me that the bike is not a PX-10... Is a french Metropole (?!)... And probably 40-50's... I had never heard about this brand, and I just could not find a single pic of Metropole bikes on the net.

It's history is... My husband, when he had 14yo (today he's 51), went with his father to buy a bike...And his father bought this one, it was oldie on that time!
He used it a lot and restored it as a kid could do, and after a long time he bought a MTB...

We became night bikers here in SP, and São Paulo streets are not the best for this kind of bike, so we use MTBs at night... there are a lot of holes in the asphalt

When we got married he left his bike at his mother's home, and it remained there till this year when his mother told him that she'd throw it away. I went there, took it home and now I'm trying to discover how to recover this beautyful bike back to life...

I "talked" to people at PX-10 thread and they told me that it really is not a PX-10. Well, I should believe in my restorer friend...

Do you know it? Does anyone have any information about it? colors? stickers?

Here go some pictures before it's first bath...
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Old 01-23-12, 09:26 AM   #2
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and now after bath

And now you can see that the bike is blue and not "dust brown"...

Oh, yes!!! Thank you all for you kind attention!
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It looks to be a very interesting bicycle! I would like a better photo of the brazed on mount next to the shifter. Also, photos showing the brake calipers, brake levers, and crank; and the dropouts.

Do the brakes say "STRATA" and "MADE IN ENGLAND" on them? I believe those brakes date to the late 40's and lead me to wonder if the bike might be English rather than French.

The derailleur is not original, and will not help identify the bike.

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Old 01-23-12, 10:37 AM   #4
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Hi rhm!!!
Thank you for your help! I'll take some more photos, but I have some other here..
Yes, brake says STRATA and Made in England. And so the handlebars.
Here goes some photos before "the" bath...
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Old 01-23-12, 10:49 AM   #5
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These are after "the" bath...
Well, now It's raining and I just cant take other pics...
But tomorrow morning I'll do it

I know that my husb, when he was a kid, and his father changed some pieces... Even the saddle is not original, that's why I didn't post any picture of it.

I want to make this bike as original as possible... that's why I'm asking about its possible colors... I found a bed of light blue, below its current dark blue... and some green dots... But I still want it to be usable... Not only a "just to see" bike.

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Old 01-23-12, 10:54 AM   #6
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Interesting! Well, the rear brake is not a Strata; and nor are the brake levers.

I wish there was an easy way for you to check the threading of the head set and the bottom bracket, because that would tell us something about country of origin. But I can't think of any way for you to check that.
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I love that 4 speed freewheel on there, probably made by J.moyne. I have one myself but i had no idea how old it could be. Really nice bike by the way.
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Based on the lugs and crank the bike looks to be early 60's French or English with the saphire blue color my guess would French
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The stem and handlebar are also consistent with a late 50's / early 60's date.
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Nice! Obrigado for posting the pictures.
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GB bars and stem. Would that rule out French? Or did GB make French diameter stems, too?
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de nada, non-fixie!
tomorrow morning I'll take some more pics... as all of you are talking, probably it has a french frame... with gb pieces...
the biggest problem will be to find out the original colors used on it and its pattern of painting... hard work for a long time
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Nice oldie, I'd also guess "French" only because it just has that vibe, but it's possible it might be British...I wonder if the outer dimensions of the main tubes can be a good clue for a bike of this age (?). If our resident experts say they are, then can you measure those tubes with an accurate Metric caliper?
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Hi people!!!
Here I am again, sunny day in rainy summer from São Paulo, BR...
As you told me I took some extra pictures... As a matter of fact, I asked husb to do that...

the upper tube of the frame is 26.5 and front and saddle tubes are 28, as you can see by these pics...
extra pics from handlebar and its acessories...
and one only from de frame...

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given that you have 2 tubes that measure 28mm and the strong possibility that the top tube is actually 26mm (maybe a little thicker due to paint) these are metric tubing dimensions: it's 99% certain that it's not British. So probably French. Very slightly possible it could be from another Continental country (Belgium, Spain, Switzerland) but I wouldn't bet on that. Also since you're in Brazil, there's been a bicycle building history in Argentina, but I also doubt this is from there. Metropole is not a brand I've heard of, but probably somebody has...I'd say Norris Lockley might know, maybe we can direct his attention to your pics.
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... it's 99% certain that it's not British. So probably French. Very slightly possible it could be from another Continental country (Belgium, Spain, Switzerland) but I wouldn't bet on that. Also since you're in Brazil, there's been a bicycle building history in Argentina, but I also doubt this is from there.
I agree with all of that, but (just out of curiosity) why do you doubt it's from Argentina? I haven't seen enough Argentine bikes to comment on that.
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de nada, non-fixie!
tomorrow morning I'll take some more pics... as all of you are talking, probably it has a french frame... with gb pieces...
the biggest problem will be to find out the original colors used on it and its pattern of painting... hard work for a long time
Lovely bike, I'm really glad you're saving it. Sorry I can't be of much help myself, but if there's a community to look to for knowledge, assistance and encouraging words, it's this one.

What your pictures did do for me, especially the tiling in the background, is remind me of the short time I lived in Brooklin. A actually re-did my 1974 school bus run last night on Google Streetview: Rua Michigan -> Av Santo Amaro -> Av Murumbi -> Av Giovanni Gronchi. Brought back lots of great memories. Thanks for that!

Anyway, back to bikes ...
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I agree with all of that, but (just out of curiosity) why do you doubt it's from Argentina? I haven't seen enough Argentine bikes to comment on that.
It's all guesswork, but my impression is that most of the Argentine bicycle industry is/was heavily influenced by Italy (and specifically all the Italian immigrants to Argentina). So, I doubt they'd have used metric tubing or French components, but take this for the guess it is.
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Metropole is not a brand I've heard of, but probably somebody has...I'd say Norris Lockley might know, maybe we can direct his attention to your pics.
Unworthy1, thank you! Now, how we can get Norris, pls? Could you ask him to see these pics? And if he knows something?

Here, a friend told me about that Metropole, and showed me a copy of its front badge, I copy you here... I must tell that he's a bike collector, and he has more than 1000 of these front badges, and he has only a copy from it.

As a matter of fact it's very difficult to find any Metropole bike pic, I just saw 2 pics... the first one very old and not well maintained posted in another thread by Auchencrow (when I first tought it could be a PX-10), and the other one is the Acatene, made on early 20's without chain.

The link posted today in that thread by Auchencrow is: http://threespeedgallery.blogspot.com/
And as you can see, the person who posted it could't find any information about it too...

Going directly to the Metropole bike is:
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That's pretty convincing, I think. The two frames seem to have the same lugs, the same pump pegs, and the same single shifter boss. I'm sure of these things were doubtless available to many manufacturers, but here we have the same combination on two different bikes. Metropole seems like a pretty good guess for now.

As for the bike's date, the single shifter boss is typical of the 1950's, possibly a little earlier or a little later.
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There are 2 vintage Metropole bicycle items on Ebay right now. It might be french after all.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Metr...-/160626131552

http://www.amazon.com/Womens-Cycles-.../dp/B0014RRUDS
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Here is a Wiki excerpt from the Raphael Geminiani page:

He received a professional contract in 1946 for the Métropole team from its manager, Romain Bellenger, and in 1947 rode his first Tour de France.

Find some information on the French Metropole bicycle company and you probably find your mfg.
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Here is an early Acetene Metropole from 1894. The address of the company is included in the notes. The bike is about mid page down.

http://www.stichtingdeoudetweewieler...senengels.html
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A actually re-did my 1974 school bus run last night on Google Streetview: Rua Michigan -> Av Santo Amaro -> Av Murumbi -> Av Giovanni Gronchi. Brought back lots of great memories. Thanks for that!
OMG non-fixie!!! Since 1974 til now things changed a lot on that way!!!
I'm glad for the happy memories! When we go riding at night, sometimes we just go around there... Next time I'll remember of you!
I don't know there where you live, but here we go trough the city by night in a group twice a week, and our group sometimes has 80 bikers... It's funny...
When you come to Brazil, you are invited to come with us!
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Looking at the headbadge, is that "Paris" over and "St. Etienne" under the Metropole word?
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