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    Nothing runs like a Deere...WTF content

    Why do I get all the spray painted frames? Anybody recognize this pile-o-bike? The chain stays may give it away. I tried sanding areas with the sandpaper I had on hand but apparently, the previous owner used John Deere tractor paint. This stuff is tough as balls. Components are Deore XT. What's left of them anyway.











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    Yeah, Schwinn PDG-series mountain bike from 1991. They're prone to cracking on the inboard side of the seatstays where they meet the seat tube, as indicated in the attached pic. I worked at the Schwinn dealership at the time and it was a predictable problem.

    pdg70_weak_spot.JPG

    Anyway, given the 7-speed XT parts, it was the PDG70 model, Tange Prestige steel (this is before the lugged versions), black with orange spidering and orange decals. They came stock with straight XT end-to-end and a rigid fork. I owned one, won my first-ever XC race on it.

    Oh, and if it's helpful, the seatpost was either 26.6mm or 26.8mm, I forget now. Here's original specs, but the post diameter's not mentioned: http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1...1PmntCvr2.html

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    It's a Hethcins MTB! Looks like a nice frame under that mess. Radical fork. I can see a little red creeping through at the top of the head tube. I wonder if you'll find any logos still intact. So, what I don't get is that the bike was obviously painted without the cranks, but then there is overspray on the crank arm by the pedal? It appears the previous owner painted the frame (and BB cups) , installed the cranks and pedals, and then decided to paint the pedals (one green, one yellow, no less) while still mounted.
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    The first bike that popped in to my head was a PDG but I couldn't recall any welded frames with suspension forks. This on has a 1 1/8" headset as well. Is that typical?
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    Quote Originally Posted by realestvin7 View Post
    The first bike that popped in to my head was a PDG but I couldn't recall any welded frames with suspension forks. This on has a 1 1/8" headset as well. Is that typical?
    That's not the stock fork, as the butchered headset ought to suggest If you look at this page and the following page, there's your bike. The rear brake-cable "noodle" at the seat cluster is one of the dead giveaways, and the rest jives as well.

    Interesting spec trivia: mine came with a Ritchey handlebar in the "shotgun" bend, which is to say a 0° no-bend bar. No front or rear orientation to it at all. Personally, I liked that.

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    Sweet. What are my chances of finder the correct fork? And do you have any idea as to what this current fork might be? It's got these weird little adjusters in the cutouts of both fork legs. I know that I have never seen such a beast.
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    The fork on there now is a Marzocchi from the mid-'90s, nothing to get too excited about. If you want the correct fork for the PDG family, it's possible our local co-op has one... the LBS I work for donated literally hundreds of forks to them, and I *think* there might've been a PDG Paramount fork amongst them. It might take me a while to get free and go over there to see. Otherwise, keep an eye on Ebay, one will come up eventually.

    Man, I'm scared to go to bed now... that headseat will feature prominently in my nightmares

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    I saw a Raleigh rebadged as a John Deere. It looked awesome though.
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    The fork is a Marzocchi XC500, from the early '90; thinking 1993-95; they were outclassed by Rock Shox and Manitou at the time, they were discontinued when the Bombers came out in 95/96ish, and unless you like un-servicable flexy forks, would disgard them.

    for the parts on the frame, the chainrings look a little sharp, and there is only half a rear mech, from the look of what you have, it's a money pit, not much to be salvaged, maybe the crank arms, and the brakes, not much else.

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    I've seen a lot of low end, 70s, 5 speed, upright bikes as well as mixtes and step throughs that were legitimately John Deere branded.
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    Looks like someone stold it and took it to Earl Sheib's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by realestvin7 View Post
    Why do I get all the spray painted frames?
    Because you don't walk away from them like any sane person would?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
    Because you don't walk away from them like any sane person would?
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    Hmm...

    The spray-bomb list:
    1973 Paramount P15
    1978 Raleigh Super Grand Prix
    1973 Raleigh Grand Prix
    1986 Nishiki International
    1991 PDG 70
    Mystery 70's Italian bike

    I'm sure there may be a few more that I've forgotten about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimc101 View Post
    The fork is a Marzocchi XC500, from the early '90; thinking 1993-95; they were outclassed by Rock Shox and Manitou at the time, they were discontinued when the Bombers came out in 95/96ish, and unless you like un-servicable flexy forks, would disgard them.

    for the parts on the frame, the chainrings look a little sharp, and there is only half a rear mech, from the look of what you have, it's a money pit, not much to be salvaged, maybe the crank arms, and the brakes, not much else.
    I doubt Manitou's elastomer offerings outclassed the XC500. I had a friend who were very unlucky with the reliabilty and durabilty of his XC500. My later XC700s and DH3 proofed to be satisfactory, but I didn't make a real lot miles with them. My favourite fork in the mid 90s was the RondWP Hydro Pro. Never had the chance to try a Pace.
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