Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > >

Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 01-27-12, 01:32 AM   #1
realestvin7 
Large Member
Thread Starter
 
realestvin7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Tejas
Bikes:
Posts: 2,733
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Nothing runs like a Deere...WTF content

Why do I get all the spray painted frames? Anybody recognize this pile-o-bike? The chain stays may give it away. I tried sanding areas with the sandpaper I had on hand but apparently, the previous owner used John Deere tractor paint. This stuff is tough as balls. Components are Deore XT. What's left of them anyway.











__________________
Build a drop bar do-it-all MTB!
For Sale / Trade:
1970's? Santa Maria F/F - Italian - 57cm ST/56cm TT
1988 Cannondale SM1000 MTB F/F 20" ST/ 56cm TT
Kuwahara Puma MTB F/F - 19" ST/56cm TT
Trek 7000 MTB F/F -17" ST/55cm TT
Alpine MTB F/F - 23" ST/59cm TT
Ross Hi-Tech MTB F/F - 20" - 21" ST/57cm TT
Peugeot PR10 Road F/F - 62.5cm ST/60cm TT
realestvin7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-12, 01:48 AM   #2
mechBgon
Senior Member
 
mechBgon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Bikes:
Posts: 6,957
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Yeah, Schwinn PDG-series mountain bike from 1991. They're prone to cracking on the inboard side of the seatstays where they meet the seat tube, as indicated in the attached pic. I worked at the Schwinn dealership at the time and it was a predictable problem.



Anyway, given the 7-speed XT parts, it was the PDG70 model, Tange Prestige steel (this is before the lugged versions), black with orange spidering and orange decals. They came stock with straight XT end-to-end and a rigid fork. I owned one, won my first-ever XC race on it.

Oh, and if it's helpful, the seatpost was either 26.6mm or 26.8mm, I forget now. Here's original specs, but the post diameter's not mentioned: http://www.trfindley.com/flschwinn_1...1PmntCvr2.html
Attached Images
File Type: jpg pdg70_weak_spot.JPG (32.6 KB, 28 views)

Last edited by mechBgon; 01-27-12 at 02:00 AM.
mechBgon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-12, 01:58 AM   #3
gaucho777
Senior Member
 
gaucho777's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Berkeley, CA
Bikes: '72 Cilo Pacer • '72 Peugeot PX10 • '73 Speedwell Ti • '74 Nishiki Competition • '74 Peugeot UE-8 • '86 Look Equipe 753 • '86 Look KG86 • '89 Parkpre Team Road • '90 Parkpre Team MTB • '90 Merlin
Posts: 5,714
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 121 Post(s)
It's a Hethcins MTB! Looks like a nice frame under that mess. Radical fork. I can see a little red creeping through at the top of the head tube. I wonder if you'll find any logos still intact. So, what I don't get is that the bike was obviously painted without the cranks, but then there is overspray on the crank arm by the pedal? It appears the previous owner painted the frame (and BB cups) , installed the cranks and pedals, and then decided to paint the pedals (one green, one yellow, no less) while still mounted.
gaucho777 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-12, 02:07 AM   #4
realestvin7 
Large Member
Thread Starter
 
realestvin7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Tejas
Bikes:
Posts: 2,733
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The first bike that popped in to my head was a PDG but I couldn't recall any welded frames with suspension forks. This on has a 1 1/8" headset as well. Is that typical?
__________________
Build a drop bar do-it-all MTB!
For Sale / Trade:
1970's? Santa Maria F/F - Italian - 57cm ST/56cm TT
1988 Cannondale SM1000 MTB F/F 20" ST/ 56cm TT
Kuwahara Puma MTB F/F - 19" ST/56cm TT
Trek 7000 MTB F/F -17" ST/55cm TT
Alpine MTB F/F - 23" ST/59cm TT
Ross Hi-Tech MTB F/F - 20" - 21" ST/57cm TT
Peugeot PR10 Road F/F - 62.5cm ST/60cm TT
realestvin7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-12, 02:26 AM   #5
mechBgon
Senior Member
 
mechBgon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Bikes:
Posts: 6,957
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by realestvin7 View Post
The first bike that popped in to my head was a PDG but I couldn't recall any welded frames with suspension forks. This on has a 1 1/8" headset as well. Is that typical?
That's not the stock fork, as the butchered headset ought to suggest If you look at this page and the following page, there's your bike. The rear brake-cable "noodle" at the seat cluster is one of the dead giveaways, and the rest jives as well.

Interesting spec trivia: mine came with a Ritchey handlebar in the "shotgun" bend, which is to say a 0 no-bend bar. No front or rear orientation to it at all. Personally, I liked that.

Last edited by mechBgon; 01-27-12 at 02:31 AM.
mechBgon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-12, 02:36 AM   #6
realestvin7 
Large Member
Thread Starter
 
realestvin7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Tejas
Bikes:
Posts: 2,733
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Sweet. What are my chances of finder the correct fork? And do you have any idea as to what this current fork might be? It's got these weird little adjusters in the cutouts of both fork legs. I know that I have never seen such a beast.
__________________
Build a drop bar do-it-all MTB!
For Sale / Trade:
1970's? Santa Maria F/F - Italian - 57cm ST/56cm TT
1988 Cannondale SM1000 MTB F/F 20" ST/ 56cm TT
Kuwahara Puma MTB F/F - 19" ST/56cm TT
Trek 7000 MTB F/F -17" ST/55cm TT
Alpine MTB F/F - 23" ST/59cm TT
Ross Hi-Tech MTB F/F - 20" - 21" ST/57cm TT
Peugeot PR10 Road F/F - 62.5cm ST/60cm TT
realestvin7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-12, 04:29 AM   #7
mechBgon
Senior Member
 
mechBgon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Bikes:
Posts: 6,957
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The fork on there now is a Marzocchi from the mid-'90s, nothing to get too excited about. If you want the correct fork for the PDG family, it's possible our local co-op has one... the LBS I work for donated literally hundreds of forks to them, and I *think* there might've been a PDG Paramount fork amongst them. It might take me a while to get free and go over there to see. Otherwise, keep an eye on Ebay, one will come up eventually.

Man, I'm scared to go to bed now... that headseat will feature prominently in my nightmares
mechBgon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-12, 05:40 AM   #8
ftwelder
Senior Member
 
ftwelder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: vermont
Bikes: Many
Posts: 3,092
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I saw a Raleigh rebadged as a John Deere. It looked awesome though.
ftwelder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-12, 06:22 AM   #9
jimc101
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Bikes:
Posts: 4,883
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 53 Post(s)
The fork is a Marzocchi XC500, from the early '90; thinking 1993-95; they were outclassed by Rock Shox and Manitou at the time, they were discontinued when the Bombers came out in 95/96ish, and unless you like un-servicable flexy forks, would disgard them.

for the parts on the frame, the chainrings look a little sharp, and there is only half a rear mech, from the look of what you have, it's a money pit, not much to be salvaged, maybe the crank arms, and the brakes, not much else.
jimc101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-12, 08:42 AM   #10
ColonelJLloyd 
Senior Member
 
ColonelJLloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Louisville
Bikes:
Posts: 8,334
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 62 Post(s)
I've seen a lot of low end, 70s, 5 speed, upright bikes as well as mixtes and step throughs that were legitimately John Deere branded.
__________________
Bikes on Flickr
I prefer email to private messages. You can contact me at justinhughes@me.com
ColonelJLloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-12, 12:08 PM   #11
OldsCOOL
Senior Member
 
OldsCOOL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: northern michigan
Bikes: '77 Colnago Super, '76 Fuji The Finest, '88 Cannondale Criterium, '86 Trek 760, '87 Miyata 712
Posts: 11,363
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 117 Post(s)
Looks like someone stold it and took it to Earl Sheib's.
OldsCOOL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-12, 12:17 PM   #12
Doohickie 
You gonna eat that?
 
Doohickie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Fort Worth, Texas Church of Hopeful Uncertainty
Bikes: 1966 Raleigh DL-1 Tourist, 1973 Schwinn Varsity, 1983 Raleigh Marathon, 1994 Nishiki Sport XRS
Posts: 14,460
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 44 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by realestvin7 View Post
Why do I get all the spray painted frames?
Because you don't walk away from them like any sane person would?
__________________
I stop for people / whose right of way I honor / but not for no one.



Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."
Doohickie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-12, 12:20 PM   #13
ColonelJLloyd 
Senior Member
 
ColonelJLloyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Louisville
Bikes:
Posts: 8,334
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 62 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
Because you don't walk away from them like any sane person would?
+1
__________________
Bikes on Flickr
I prefer email to private messages. You can contact me at justinhughes@me.com
ColonelJLloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-12, 12:55 PM   #14
realestvin7 
Large Member
Thread Starter
 
realestvin7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Tejas
Bikes:
Posts: 2,733
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Hmm...

The spray-bomb list:
1973 Paramount P15
1978 Raleigh Super Grand Prix
1973 Raleigh Grand Prix
1986 Nishiki International
1991 PDG 70
Mystery 70's Italian bike

I'm sure there may be a few more that I've forgotten about.
__________________
Build a drop bar do-it-all MTB!
For Sale / Trade:
1970's? Santa Maria F/F - Italian - 57cm ST/56cm TT
1988 Cannondale SM1000 MTB F/F 20" ST/ 56cm TT
Kuwahara Puma MTB F/F - 19" ST/56cm TT
Trek 7000 MTB F/F -17" ST/55cm TT
Alpine MTB F/F - 23" ST/59cm TT
Ross Hi-Tech MTB F/F - 20" - 21" ST/57cm TT
Peugeot PR10 Road F/F - 62.5cm ST/60cm TT
realestvin7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-12, 05:54 PM   #15
Elev12k
Senior Member
 
Elev12k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Bikes: (Koga) Miyata, WTB, Fat Chance, Mountain Goat, Grove, Verlicchi, Rafty, Panasonic, Vitus, Gazelle, Batavus, Zieleman, Presto, Peka, RIH, Reus, Vittorio, Simon, Duell, Fongers, Concorde, Alan, Zebrakenko
Posts: 1,265
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimc101 View Post
The fork is a Marzocchi XC500, from the early '90; thinking 1993-95; they were outclassed by Rock Shox and Manitou at the time, they were discontinued when the Bombers came out in 95/96ish, and unless you like un-servicable flexy forks, would disgard them.

for the parts on the frame, the chainrings look a little sharp, and there is only half a rear mech, from the look of what you have, it's a money pit, not much to be salvaged, maybe the crank arms, and the brakes, not much else.
I doubt Manitou's elastomer offerings outclassed the XC500. I had a friend who were very unlucky with the reliabilty and durabilty of his XC500. My later XC700s and DH3 proofed to be satisfactory, but I didn't make a real lot miles with them. My favourite fork in the mid 90s was the RondWP Hydro Pro. Never had the chance to try a Pace.
Elev12k is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:17 PM.