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    braze-on front der w/ compact crank?

    With a braze-on front derailler tab originally positioned for standard road rings, I assume there will be a conflict trying to run a compact crank, that the der. won't be low enough. Any solutions? File the tab slot? Some kind of adaptor? New front der.?
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    They typically have a decent range of adjustment. Have you installed both the crank and the derailleur yet or are you only worrying about an issue that may or may not exist?
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    I'm pre-worrying, haha. Hopefully it won't be an issue but I wondered if others had dealt with this before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norskagent View Post
    I'm pre-worrying, haha.
    Ha!

    Do tell, what crank/rings/BB spindle are you using and what FD?
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    well I was going to wait until the build to reveal...but since you ask, I was the buyer of gioscinelli's merckx 7/11 frame and fork:


    and I intend to move the parts from my '89 paramount over to it:

    for the most part, I may opt for some different parts, not sure yet.
    Crank is a sugino alpina compact w/ phil wood BB. Rear and front der. are dura ace 7400 8speed.
    Hopefully robbietunes won't suffer too much angst over the switch, he's familiar with my paramount!
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    Cool! Congratulations.

    So a 48t big ring? I'll bet you'll be fine. With a crank with lower Q you may have FD cage rubbing issues, but probably not with the Sugino.
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    I've never had an issue, but just for fun if you compare the diameter of a 53 vs. a 50 ring, they differ by about 12mm (I calculated this, but I haven't measured it on any actual chainrings). So that means the radius from the BB center to top of ring only differs by 6mm. I would think half a centimeter is something a front derailleur might be able to handle even if you weren't able to move it.

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    My compact is 48/34, hopefully not so much to matter.
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    Whoops, I used the wrong tooth count. Diameter of 48t ring is approx 195mm (D = 12.75 * T / pi). So difference between 53 and 48 is 20mm diameter or 10mm radius. One centimeter to adjust.

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    FWIW I tried to put a compact on my brother's 2300 and the tab was not low enough. 50/34 rings.

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    I have an '85 Corsa Extra - which is near identical to op's bike.
    My Record crank, w Record BB, has a 49T ring on it.
    I'm using a Record FD.

    There's still room to move it down more than 2mm.

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    I stuck a 50/34 FSA Gossamer on my '86 Cannondale and had room to move the front derailleur (Shimano 105) down.


    Seemed to approach the limit, but works fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norskagent View Post
    My compact is 48/34, hopefully not so much to matter.
    The correct answer is that you may or may not have a problem going to a 48.

    That's getting quite a bit smaller than a 52/53, which is generally where the braze-ons were centered. However, that positioning assumed a front derailleur "drop" so the derailleur that you use may be a factor also.

    Try it and see (is the only way to determine whether it will work or not...).

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    I bought an adaptor from a trek dealer for a few bucks that worked great. It was a listed part for an early trek 5000. I don't remember what it looked like or if it would work on steel.

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    I think this would work (if necessary)...~$9
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    The Campy tech spec for positioning the FD tab shows a 10mm difference between the position optimized for a 48 vs 53. I don't see a reason for Shimano to need anything different The slot in the tab is probably 20mm so you probably won't have a problem. Worst case, you might have to file a little bit but I'm betting you won't.

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