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Old 02-02-12, 12:30 PM   #1
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Question please re wider (35-37mm) Paselas

I generally use 23mm tires on my road bikes. Lately, I have been putting 28mm Panaracer Paselas on my sports/tour bikes and like them. They ride well on a variety of surfaces and have proven to be durable.

I'm thinking about trying 35's or 37's. What do you think of the wider tires? What difference can I expect in terms of performance?

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Bicycle Quarterly has a few articles on tire sizes, pros and cons.

The Dangers of Narrow Tires

The Downsides of Wide Tires
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I've been pondering the same thing: putting some 700c rims on one of my 27 1/4" bikes, and riding bigger, lower pressure tires. It'd be cheaper than going full blown 650b route, and the 4mm difference should make room for some bigger tires.
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jeirvine, I did just that and was able to fit a 37mm tire on my old gitane sports tourer. I went with a cheapy tire though, kenda kwest, and it kind of deadens the ride. so if you try it , it might be worth spending up a nicer tire. I have one I'm going to put on come spring.
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If it's on a road bike, >32mm tires makes the ride too sluggish for me in my opinion. 28-32 is the sweet spot for a sport-tourer IMO.
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If you want to try the Pasela in a 35 width, I have one of them that won't fit the intended recipient bike. If you would like it, you can have it for what it costs to ship it to you.
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FWIW Pasela Tourguard 35s measure 32 for me. I used to ride 32s, which measured 28.
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I generally use 23mm tires on my road bikes. Lately, I have been putting 28mm Panaracer Paselas on my sports/tour bikes and like them. They ride well on a variety of surfaces and have proven to be durable.

I'm thinking about trying 35's or 37's. What do you think of the wider tires? What difference can I expect in terms of performance?

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Wider tires are a gateway drug. Pretty soon you'll be exploring gravel and dirt roads. Next thing you know you're considering brevets, or -gasp- gravel grinders.
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Wider tires are a gateway drug. Pretty soon you'll be exploring gravel and dirt roads. Next thing you know you're considering brevets, or -gasp- gravel grinders.
Actually, gravel grinders sound like a lot of fun.
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I have 35mm Kenda tough pavement tires on one of my rides. Outfitted to be more robust than weight-conscious. At max pressure, the ride/resistance is not an issue for me on tarmac. After returning from dusty trails, I can see the bike is riding on < 10mm of tread on roads.
They've allowed me to tackle horse trails, canal paths, small gravel. I've enjoyed the versatility of wider spec tires and have been flat-free since Fall.
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I have 35mm Kenda tough pavement tires on one of my rides. Outfitted to be more robust than weight-conscious. At max pressure, the ride/resistance is not an issue for me on tarmac. After returning from dusty trails, I can see the bike is riding on < 10mm of tread on roads.
They've allowed me to tackle horse trails, canal paths, small gravel. I've enjoyed the versatility of wider spec tires and have been flat-free since Fall.
Have you tried the SRP canal path east of Pima across the reservation? I rode part of it with 32's, which were generally OK accept for a rough spots and washouts.
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If you want to try the Pasela in a 35 width, I have one of them that won't fit the intended recipient bike. If you would like it, you can have it for what it costs to ship it to you.
I'd be interested in that tire if the OP isn't. I have a set of 35's but one has the rubber molded off-center at one spot. It looks goofy and I swear I can feel it hop when I ride it but that could be my imagination I suppose. In any case, if the OP doesn't take you up on your offer, let me know and I'll find something to trade for it.
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I just ordered a pair of 35s for my early 80s Peugeot. I'll post pics if it works out.
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I'd be interested in that tire if the OP isn't. I have a set of 35's but one has the rubber molded off-center at one spot. It looks goofy and I swear I can feel it hop when I ride it but that could be my imagination I suppose. In any case, if the OP doesn't take you up on your offer, let me know and I'll find something to trade for it.
Please go ahead. I just ordered a pair of 37's for my cross bike. Never in my life did I think that I'd put 37mm road tires on a bike. This should be fun.
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I have different widths on different bikes. Pasela 35s on one bike measure 33 and I like them a lot. Conti and Pasela 32s on a couple other bikes measure 28 and 31 respectively. I am with Puget Pounder, in feeling that 28 - 32 provide the best widths for sport touring. Plenty of cushioning for a nice smooth ride while feeling nimble.
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I have different widths on different bikes. Pasela 35s on one bike measure 33 and I like them a lot. Conti and Pasela 32s on a couple other bikes measure 28 and 31 respectively. I am with Puget Pounder, in feeling that 28 - 32 provide the best widths for sport touring. Plenty of cushioning for a nice smooth ride while feeling nimble.
I agree about 28's being the sweet spot for sport touring. I'm going to put these on my cyclocross for gravel trails.
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I went from 25mm Pasela TG to 32mm. I think there was a slight increase in rolling resistance but that could be all in my mind cuz the ride is sooooooooooooooo smooooth, they just gotta be slower right? Both tires were ridden at max pressure. IMHO, go for it!
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Paselas are nice. I'd also look at the T-Serv Pro for Messenger-- tons of wet grip, puncture resistant, tolerably lightweight with a folding bead, and reasonably priced. Nicer ride than the Paselas for my money, too.

Also, the Challenge Parigi-Rubaix are really a lovely ride, though a bit more expensive.

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Have you tried the SRP canal path east of Pima across the reservation? I rode part of it with 32's, which were generally OK accept for a rough spots and washouts.
No, but looks like a nice one to try. I haven't managed to find a 'public' route to cross the Salt River at about Red Mountain-North Mesa. Google Maps claims bikes can cross at the end of E. Thomas Rd. But it's gated and looks like a construction quarry. I also tried at Power Rd/Bush Hwy. At the dam that feeds most of these canals. But I faced a DO NOT TRESPASS sign. The only known route presently is to head north on Gilbert Rd. to the Beeline Hwy. Off my beaten path.

Last week I tried the Consolidated Canal and Western Canal in the Southeast, to put in a birthday ride. Lot's of fun, I was on my cross bike, the wider tarmac tires had no trouble and I confidently kept a good pace on the loose stuff.
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RFC, I'm semi new to running 35 mm tires on a road bike (rebranded Pasalas). Because of the drought causing extensive road damage I actually rode the touring bike much more than my roadie equipped with 23 mm tires last year, and probably will again this year. I haven't had a problem with setting tire pressure at 65 PSI when unladen.

Performance wise I do notice that the much heavier wheelset and tires are slower to accelerate, but not too different at cruise.

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No, but looks like a nice one to try. I haven't managed to find a 'public' route to cross the Salt River at about Red Mountain-North Mesa. Google Maps claims bikes can cross at the end of E. Thomas Rd. But it's gated and looks like a construction quarry. I also tried at Power Rd/Bush Hwy. At the dam that feeds most of these canals. But I faced a DO NOT TRESPASS sign. The only known route presently is to head north on Gilbert Rd. to the Beeline Hwy. Off my beaten path.

Last week I tried the Consolidated Canal and Western Canal in the Southeast, to put in a birthday ride. Lot's of fun, I was on my cross bike, the wider tarmac tires had no trouble and I confidently kept a good pace on the loose stuff.
Last summer, on the spur of the moment, I rode part of the canal path from Pima east. It was a very hot day and I got about 10 miles in when I realized I would run out of water long before I got to Red Mountain and back, so I high tailed it home. There are no 7-11's on the reservation. I am going to ride it again this spring with adequate water. Those are mostly agricultural lands with lots of open ditch irrigation along the canal that appears to run year round. As a result, there are a whole series of "mini" ecosystems. I probably saw 30 species of birds, including a number I have never before seen in AZ.
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RFC, I'm semi new to running 35 mm tires on a road bike (rebranded Pasalas). Because of the drought causing extensive road damage I actually rode the touring bike much more than my roadie equipped with 23 mm tires last year, and probably will again this year. I haven't had a problem with setting tire pressure at 65 PSI when unladen.

Performance wise I do notice that the much heavier wheelset and tires are slower to accelerate, but not too different at cruise.



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Yes, acceleration is where you would notice the difference in weight. I didn't realize the TX drought damaged the roads.
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Has anyone tried the Clement Strada folders in 700x28? Prices are very reasonable and, unlike many wider tires, they are available in all black. I prefer all black because I've found that tan sidewalls get really nasty looking after riding in the rain a few times.

I'm using Conti GP 4 Season 28s right now and they are excellent, relatively light weight and low rolling resistance. However, the prices for Conti tires have gone through the roof lately.
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I'm running 32 Pasellas on 2 of my bikes, 37s on another and 35s on yet another. I really like them. I'm using Vittoria Hyper Randos (35) on my Bianchi Volpe and REALLY like them, roll fast and give a nice ride. That said, Pasellas are my favorite reasonably priced tires. Run em!
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I recently bought Pasela TGs in 27x1-1/4 (630-32) and found they measured 31.3 mm at 80 psig. They also had the newer V-shaped tread. Very smooth ride. You may want to stay with the 27" rims.
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