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Old 02-03-12, 04:59 PM   #1
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De Rosa Titanio, 1st draft

The bike is, more or less, built up and should be ready for riding and subsequent showing off soon. I've been talking to a lot of folks and doing a lot of research and I think this is likely one of the Team Gewiss Ballan Titanios. Ugo De Rosa did make early Titanios and Ugo and Doriano learned from some of the folks at Litespeed over a period of about 3 years. The year (94) matches up, the single bottle boss set matches up and it would make sense for it being a repaint had it been an abused Team bike with scratched paint. I'm also not showing any indication that the Titanios were offered regularly in 94'.

I'm now heavily considering having it painted in Gewiss Ballan livery at some point.

It still needs some work...the cassette is ridiculous for me...I'll be looking for something far gentler. It also has a lock ring compatibility issue. I don't like the TA yellow cage...I'm in the process of locating something more appropriate.

I bought the tires on a whim, and because they were inexpensive, and I guess I didn't really know what I was getting. They're like rim thongs! They don't even extend all the way to the edge of the rim. One press of the pump and pressure goes up about 50 PSI. They were surprisingly OK over city streets at speeds under 20, but once I got it cranking, and while climbing, it was SCARY. A tire change is likely in my future as these are too much tire for me.

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Very cool bike. I'm not an expert on welding, but it looks to my lug-trained eye like those are very nicely done and finished.
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It's sort of hard to tell with the paint, but it looks pretty good. I'd say less clean than my Merlin (from what I can see through the paint) and maybe a little less neat than my two Litespeed builts, but close. It's hard to say. It's light as heck...genius fork, 6-4 DOs and BB shell. It was sort of hard to judge the ride with the rim thongs.
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That really ties the room together.
Nice quote even nicer ride! Those tires sound a bit frightening!!
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It's sort of hard to tell with the paint, but it looks pretty good. I'd say less clean than my Merlin (from what I can see through the paint) and maybe a little less neat than my two Litespeed builts, but close. It's hard to say. It's light as heck...genius fork, 6-4 DOs and BB shell. It was sort of hard to judge the ride with the rim thongs.
I want to say I've seen some less-than-compelling welds on some of the early De Rosa Ti bikes, if my memory is correct. It's still a neat bike from an interesting era, when haematocrits climbed as high as the Dolomites themselves, withe Gewiss leading the way ...
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Young man, I cannot abide that cage.

Black Elite Cuisse, with the buttons. Do not hesitate.

If the tires make you scream, let me know. I could use some Tufo spares.

I'll take up a collection for some matching chainring bolts for you...
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It would look good on a ride with my Grandis, too, come spring.
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Young man, I cannot abide that cage.

Black Elite Cuisse, with the buttons. Do not hesitate.

If the tires make you scream, let me know. I could use some Tufo spares.
Or maybe the red cages for contrast? That's what my yellow Grandis is sporting.
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I've never seen a Titanio before...and my understanding is that none of the early ones got over here. One thing I read is that Litespeed did make some De Rosas with Ugo's on site supervision prior to the real Titanio release and, IME, Litespeeds VARY. You might be talking about them. This was shipped over from Matzumaster and factory confirmed Ugo built. I'd wager dollars to donuts it was a Gewiss, but there's no way to prove it.

This was sold about 3 years ago on Serotta forums and the seller claimed it was about a 2000...not according to the factory/serial number.
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I'm planning on going with a 90s ti avenir cage that looks metalic. Very style neutral.

Ebay seller is sllllowwwwwww.

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Or maybe the red cages for contrast? That's what my yellow Grandis is sporting.

I know you're not one to show off, but would you mind sharing a photo? Besides...I LOVE that Grandis (as you well know). I remember the first time I saw it and it was instant lust.

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Sweet Aaron.

Picchio had an entire thread for his pretty Grandis:

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...hlight=grandis

I have a couple sets of Black Elite Cuisse cages if you want some. Can ship tomorrow if you'd like.

Might have an extra cap for the Grammo as well.

I just bought a couple from a fellow locally and I ended up with a fairly large box of various Cinelli stems and extra wedges.

Bunch of other odds and ends in the bottom of the box as well.

You're right though, the Tufos are fantastic tires in the upper price range. Yours are fairly narrow, so I would hold on tight till you get used to them.
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I've never seen a Titanio before...and my understanding is that none of the early ones got over here. One thing I read is that Litespeed did make some De Rosas with Ugo's on site supervision prior to the real Titanio release and, IME, Litespeeds VARY. You might be talking about them.
I distinctly recall a De Rosa Ti frame - an older one - from ebay that looked a bit rough. No idea of the precise model or year. For me, the character and cool factor are the overriding factors, anyway.
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When am I going to learn? When in need, call gomango and Ofg. I would kill for a grammo plug if you can spare one! I love the cuissis, but I really like ti for this one.
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Nice quote even nicer ride! Those tires sound a bit frightening!!
I just quoted that this morning which is probably why he had it on his mind. Just sayin'.
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It was a way to drag you in. You said it on the moto thread
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It worked. That and your yellow Italian thing above. Looks great!
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It's ashame GP doesn't make a ti bike...

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When am I going to learn? When in need, call gomango and Ofg. I would kill for a grammo plug if you can spare one! I love the cuissis, but I really like ti for this one.
I'll find you one buddy.

Don't pay for one.

As expensive as these stems are getting, god only knows what you'd have to pay.

Our swap meet comes up in a week in a half and there will be four or five vendors there that have Cinelli parts coming out their wazoos.

I'll look in the box when I get home from the kid's soccer game tonight.

...and no problem on the cages. I pulled a set off the Giro D' Italia I picked up.

How about King ti cages?

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That would be my second choice (king), but they're SPENDY and the avenir was inexpensive. It's also the right year/feel.

I will kiss you for one of those plugs! The grammo prices actually dropped this year, but still too high.
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The yellow is great! how does it ride?
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Where are the lugs?! Is that thing safe?!

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With those tires...SCARY!!! Once I was mid 20s, it felt twitchy on uneven surfaces. Maybe I can get used to it, but it was scary. I also can't get past what a blowout would be like with these.


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The lugs are under the welds
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Once I was mid 20s, it felt twitchy on uneven surfaces. Maybe I can get used to it, but it was scary.
I was pretty twitchy in my mid-20's, too - I wouldn't read too much into it.
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