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Old 02-05-12, 10:38 AM   #1
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Ciocc Pronunciation?

Ciocc Pronunciation. I believe in Italian the "c" is like Cinelli, and the "cc" is like "K". So it should sound like "choke". What do you think?
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Old 02-05-12, 10:46 AM   #2
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I'm staying out of this one.

1) my tongue won't go where it's needed for this word.
2) the other pronunciation thread got too ugly for me.
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Old 02-05-12, 10:55 AM   #3
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Kind of like "Chyoq". The terminal /k/ sound isn't particularly hard, and the /y/ is kind of short. Central Italian slang for 'Drunkard.'
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Kind of like "Chyoq". The terminal /k/ sound isn't particularly hard, and the /y/ is kind of short. Central Italian slang for 'Drunkard.'
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See-oh-ch. Bee-on-kee. Poo-joe. Si-nelly.

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See-oh-ch. Bee-on-kee. Poo-joe. Si-nelly.

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You got the pronunciation of Bianchi right. Otherwise, I hope you're joking.
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Someone here, I think, posted a video with the correct pronunciation of Cicc which is, apparrently, a nonsens nick-name that has been used for 3 or 4 generations in the family. Seems that it's almost pronounced like "church" in Queens English (that is, no "r"), only the "u" is very short. Crazy Italians. Or perhaps the guy was just pulling our legs.

Ah, the video is right there in post #4. Sorry.

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See-oh-ch. Bee-on-kee. Poo-joe. Si-nelly.

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Chee-nelllllllllih.
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halfway between 'church' and 'chooch'.
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Signore Pelizzoli claimed that the word has "no meaning", just a nickname...I've heard it said to mean "poker-face", but not buying that 100% (how popular is poker in Italy: clearly they play cardgames and gamble but do they even have such an expression?) and also that it's a bit more rude than that, but...the guy who has lived in Italy and speaks Italian fluently (Citoyen du Monde) once said he has no familiarity with Bergamo regional dialect or slang, which is apparently what the word "Cicc" is.
I can tell you that if you pronounce "chooch" in front of certain Central/South Americans (Columbians for sure) you'll be using a pretty dirty insult.
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i've always pronounced it to rhyme with "coach" and "roach", with an h sound up front...
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I can tell you that if you pronounce "chooch" in front of certain Central/South Americans (Columbians for sure) you'll be using a pretty dirty insult.
Yeah, choose your audience wisely. I once told a Norwegian she was astute. I thought I was going to get slapped.
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Think of a train, Choo Choo! But drop that last "oooh". Chooch.
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Thanks, chooch.
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Thanks, chooch.
In Italian, the word that sounds like "chooch" means something derogatory, so be-careful to whom you say it too.
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Signore Pelizzoli claimed that the word has "no meaning", just a nickname...I've heard it said to mean "poker-face", but not buying that 100% (how popular is poker in Italy: clearly they play cardgames and gamble but do they even have such an expression?) and also that it's a bit more rude than that, but...the guy who has lived in Italy and speaks Italian fluently (Citoyen du Monde) once said he has no familiarity with Bergamo regional dialect or slang, which is apparently what the word "Cicc" is.
I can tell you that if you pronounce "chooch" in front of certain Central/South Americans (Columbians for sure) you'll be using a pretty dirty insult.
Bergamo being in northern Italy, close to Switzerland, could it be a Swiss-German word, or a corruption of one?

Edit + clarification: The "" is pronounced as a German "o + umlaut". I don't think the trema is used in Italian.

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Choache right?

But just how does one pronounce Bucket?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_f84eteHLU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...84eteHLU#t=26s

I really have to learn how to embedd or whatever it is you do to just copy the video
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I made a blunder along similar lines last summer with the Quetico park rangers when they asked what lakes I was going to camp on, and they happened to be "Faquier" and "Dumas"
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Choache right?

But just how does one pronounce Bucket?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_f84eteHLU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...84eteHLU#t=26s

I really have to learn how to embedd or whatever it is you do to just copy the video
Copy the whole link from the address bar click insert video and just paste the link in there and voila.


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Bergamo being in northern Italy, close to Switzerland, could it be a Swiss-German word, or a corruption of one?

Edit + clarification: The "" is pronounced as a German "o + umlaut". I don't think the trema is used in Italian.
Yes. They are close to the German border, so pronounce it like it was 'Germanic Italian.'

The youtube video is quite clear: it's 'chuh-ch' (but all together, no significant pause between the syllables).

It ain't 'choach' or 'choke.'
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Chee-nelllllllllih.
Tried that. Made my face hurt.

Oh yeah, and it's pronounced OO-nuh-vee-guh. I know -cause I have two of them, a Super Strada and a Gran Turismo.
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I had a Ciocc for a while, sold it to Henry III. Tried to sell it locally here in South Florida, you should have seen the faces on people when I told them what brand it was......( it sounds like a very nasty word here in Miami)
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I think to pronounce Ciocc, you just turn your head and cough.
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go right to the source for this:
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thanks to Rory you can hear The Man himself pronounce it!
No need to go any further than this!

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Bergamo being in northern Italy, close to Switzerland, could it be a Swiss-German word, or a corruption of one?

Edit + clarification: The "" is pronounced as a German "o + umlaut". I don't think the trema is used in Italian.
Umlaut is a German word which literally means modified spoken sound. In German, the vowels with umlaut are generally replaced by the vowel and the letter E (i.e. becomes oe). Trma is the French equivalent. In France it is generally used to indicate that the particular vowel carrying the trma is to be repeated. So the writer Anas Nin would have pronounced her name A-nai-is (with the "is" syllable not having an exact correspondence in English). In Italian the two dots are known as a "dieresi", Hagen is correct that it is not used in Italy even if school children are taught of its existence. In fact, in continental Europe I have never come across anybody who is not aware of the existence of this pronunciation aid. In English, the "proper" technical term is dieresis, but it is not generally used so you will frequently see mention of umlaut or trma in English.

The Bergamasque language/dialect is quite old and was distinct from Italian and more closely related to other romance languages. It was spoken by the Orobii Celts. Over time, the dialect has adopted more and more Italian words and what is spoken today is more readily understandable to most Italians. It does not however have any German roots.

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They are close to the German border, so pronounce it like it was 'Germanic Italian.'
No part of Italy is near the German border and most definitely not Bergamo.
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Umlaut is a German word which literally means modified spoken sound. ... Trma is the French equivalent. ... In Italian the two dots are known as a "dieresi"...
Nomenclature aside, do you confirm that the vowel in Ciocc is pronounced like the German umlauted o?.

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Well no, but perhaps we are confusing political and linguistic borders. I think it would be fair to say that part of (political) Italy is near the (linguistic) German border, and some of it (South Tyrol) is even on the German side of that border.
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