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    My First Campy Equipped Bicycle - Fiorelli

    Well, I have finally decided to drink the Kool-Aid. Soon I will no longer be able to say I have never ridden a Campy equipped bicycle because my 1961 Fiorelli tandem has Campy componentry.

    I have been quite critical of Campy components up to now, but I am open-minded enough to give it a chance since this bicycle, being an Italian brand, came equipped with Campagnolo.

    Here's the Campagnolo componentry about which I speak. I hope it is as reliable as many on the forums claim.


    Fiorelli Campagnolo Part - 1 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr


    Fiorelli Campagnolo Part - 2 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr


    Fiorelli Campagnolo Part - 3 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
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    Any other pics of the bike?

    Any of the rest of the group Campagnolo as well?

    Why would you be critical of Camagnolo if you have never ridden a bike equipped with a Campagnolo group? What do you base your judgement on?

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    Uh-oh...PG has got that bug up his a** again....



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    Quote Originally Posted by shnibop View Post
    Any other pics of the bike?

    Any of the rest of the group Campagnolo as well?

    Why would you be critical of Camagnolo if you have never ridden a bike equipped with a Campagnolo group? What do you base your judgement on?
    I've taken other pictures of the bike but haven't had time to post a new thread on the bike yet. It's too late to post another thread this evening, but I will some time tomorrow. Meanwhile here's a thread I started earlier this week when I was considering buying the bike. It has a couple pictures taken by the seller.

    BTW, just to be fair, I really don't have any particular dislike of Campy, but I do hate derailleurs as a rule. My experience has included both Shimano and SRAM. Neither experience was encouraging so at this point I'm either ridding my collection of derailleur geared bikes or converting them to IGH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
    Uh-oh...PG has got that bug up his a** again....



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    Hey DD, I love what you've done with your Campy stuff on the Davidson... I'm just waiting for the day you send me the PM saying you're ready for me to send my cottered cranks for you to do some drillium on them.
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    I see you made it home safely, bikes in tow. Now we need to see before and after shots of the bikes.

    I happen to like derailleurs. They are kinda' cool, and generally clever. Without them some of us would never be able to ride the roads we do!

    I never paid much attention to Campagnolo either but now I must. I have been given an ultimatum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by photogravity View Post
    Well, I have finally decided to drink the Kool-Aid. Soon I will no longer be able to say I have never ridden a Campy equipped bicycle because my 1961 Fiorelli tandem has Campy componentry.

    I have been quite critical of Campy components up to now, but I am open-minded enough to give it a chance since this bicycle, being an Italian brand, came equipped with Campagnolo.

    Here's the Campagnolo componentry about which I speak. I hope it is as reliable as many on the forums claim.


    Fiorelli Campagnolo Part - 1 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr


    Fiorelli Campagnolo Part - 2 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr


    Fiorelli Campagnolo Part - 3 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
    Trolling again, I see....
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    Quote Originally Posted by photogravity View Post
    Hey DD, I love what you've done with your Campy stuff on the Davidson... I'm just waiting for the day you send me the PM saying you're ready for me to send my cottered cranks for you to do some drillium on them.
    What do you get when you drillium steel like that? Taffy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roll-Monroe-Co View Post
    What do you get when you drillium steel like that? Taffy?
    No - a cheese grater, silly

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    Uh oh. You're going to have your first experience riding Campagnolo gear ....on THAT?!

    We'll never hear the end of this.

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    Looks like C-Record..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by photogravity View Post
    BTW, just to be fair, I really don't have any particular dislike of Campy, but I do hate derailleurs as a rule.
    I think your new bike meets that criterium. Doesn't appear to be much left of that derailleur!

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    That thing is not mounted to a Lawn mower, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmuller View Post
    I see you made it home safely, bikes in tow. Now we need to see before and after shots of the bikes.

    I happen to like derailleurs. They are kinda' cool, and generally clever. Without them some of us would never be able to ride the roads we do!

    I never paid much attention to Campagnolo either but now I must. I have been given an ultimatum.
    Hey Jim, indeed I made it back without any issues. I hope your gig went well.

    I definitely like having variable gearing, but derailleurs not so much. There are many applications for riders where an IGH will suit perfectly, but people have derailleurs foisted upon them by LBS salespeople that don't understand the advantages of the technology.

    Now about that Masi... I do think that anything but Campy is a bit blasphemous. Granted, I'm largely a non-conformist and will usually put whatever I please on whatever I have out of the desire to be practical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rootboy View Post
    Uh oh. You're going to have your first experience riding Campagnolo gear ....on THAT?!

    We'll never hear the end of this.
    Nor does it look like I will either, based on the direction this thread is heading!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Angelo View Post
    Looks like C-Record..........
    Your guess is far better than mine, I can assure you! I guess I really need to do some research on Campagnolo gear.

    Quote Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
    I think your new bike meets that criterium. Doesn't appear to be much left of that derailleur!
    Robbie, you must have looked at my previous posts from before I purchased the bicycle. As far as not much being left of the derailleur, you'd be sort of correct since it is merely a tensioner. Currently it is not working but, to be fair, the little cage around the wheel is slightly bent and the bushing needs to be greased. In addition, I think the tensioner was improperly installed at some point, but once I get a chance to address those issues, I'm certain it will prove to be worthy of the Campagnolo name.

    So, you're ready for the reveal... Soon... Soon...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rootboy View Post
    That thing is not mounted to a Lawn mower, is it?
    It's not too far from being a lawn mower, though with two seats and two wheels. Ok, I'll stop teasing. Here it is:


    Fiorelli Tandem - 16 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr
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    That is one bad mambo jambo...I like it!

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    Cool bike! So, is that thing called a chain tensioner, or what? I'm not being snarky here, honest. Just don't know.

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    when campy breaks in others break down!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
    That is one bad mambo jambo...I like it!
    It is quite cool though, admittedly, it is not as cool as your triplet. It is in pretty good shape overall with the biggest area of concern being the wheels which have considerable rust. I'll probably rebuild then with a set of Rhyno Lite rims and possibly put a drum hub on the front to augment the anticipated weak braking of the stock steel brakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rootboy View Post
    Cool bike! So, is that thing called a chain tensioner, or what? I'm not being snarky here, honest. Just don't know.
    Yes, at least I have always called it a tensioner. Nobody's corrected me yet, so I guess I'm on target... Now about being snarky, I don't really expect that out of you. I've got enough snark to cover at least 2 or 3 people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by photogravity View Post
    It is quite cool though, admittedly, it is not as cool as your triplet. It is in pretty good shape overall with the biggest area of concern being the wheels which have considerable rust. I'll probably rebuild then with a set of Rhyno Lite rims and possibly put a drum hub on the front to augment the anticipated weak braking of the stock steel brakes.
    Not less cool, different cool. I love the drum hubs on the triplet...they really stop it adequately. Yeah, they're heavy, but it's a flat terrain cruiser. I have no hesitation rec'ing that direction...if they can stop a triplet, they'll stop a tandem. I'd go drum brake on both. Getting a rear drum/igh is tricky, but they do exist. I was thinking about one for the triplet, but we've found it's OK ungeared for how and where we ride it.

    That front lamp is BEGGING for an LED make over.

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    I think the tensioners are usually pushing the chain out (down). If it were mine, I would have it plushing up. like it is. Cool bike.

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    I like the Campy chain tensioner! That's got to be a pretty rare part.

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