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    Huret Jubilee mounting

    As I understand it there are two versions of this derailuer with different mounts. How do I find out if mine is compatible with campy drop outs? if not how would I adapt it?

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    I believe there may have been three versions. One was for a Huret hanger, one for a Campagnolo-type hanger and the other worked with either.

    Post a pic of the backside and we can tell you which model you have. If you have a model designed for Huret dropouts and want to use it with a Campagnolo-type dropout, you'll need an adapter. There were a few versions, but the most common has just a tab and no B-screw. A rarer version with a B-screw adjustment was produced and a rarer still version had two adjuster tabs, I believe (I've never seen the later type in the flesh).

    verktyg's Flickr page has lots of helpful pics.

    This Jubilee is made for a Huret hanger.

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    This is how mine looks.
    Close to what posted. Any idea's where'd I get an adapter if I needed one?
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    Your Jubilee derailleur was made to fit a Huret dropout. It could be used on a Campy style dropout with one of several adapters. Those adapters were hard to find, even back in the day.

    Huret Jubilees made to fit Campy dropouts had the stop set at 4:00 o'clock and had a separate part number, Ref 2240 for "patte italienne" (Campy dropouts).

    Sometime later Huret gave up their folly of proprietary dropouts and made just one body style but with an adapter to fit Campy style dropouts.

    I don't have these pictured with my Flickr photos but here's a link to Veolobase.com that shows one.

    http://tinyurl.com/87pumn9

    There's a picture of one style adapter that you could probably make from a washer.

    Chas. verktyg

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    Here are some pictures for reference, these are from my Jubilee. I mounted it on a Campy claw adapter to simulate a regular Campy dropout.










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    Hey guys, I actually returned the derailleur to the community run bike shop so they can pay the rent in future. I also found out they had the matching shifters. No FD though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Angelo View Post
    Here are some pictures for reference, these are from my Jubilee. I mounted it on a Campy claw adapter to simulate a regular Campy dropout.









    Very nice... I haven't seen that style of adapter before. Judging from the mounting bolt with the expansion screw, this was a later model adapter.

    It would probably work with Challenger/Success and Duopar derailleurs too.

    Thanks for posting these. Can I use several of your photos in the Huret Mounting Bolts Flickr set?

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/2826722...7626948207829/

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    Quote Originally Posted by verktyg View Post
    Very nice... I haven't seen that style of adapter before. Judging from the mounting bolt with the expansion screw, this was a later model adapter.

    It would probably work with Challenger/Success and Duopar derailleurs too.

    Thanks for posting these. Can I use several of your photos in the Huret Mounting Bolts Flickr set?

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/2826722...7626948207829/

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    Yes you may, if you want more pictures PM me and I'll send you the Photobucket link.

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    Thanks much. I'll post them as soon as I finish with my current project, Gus Betat frames.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/2826722...7629281146663/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Angelo View Post
    Here are some pictures for reference, these are from my Jubilee. I mounted it on a Campy claw adapter to simulate a regular Campy dropout.









    I'm sorry if this goes off topic, but I was wondering what happens when you add a "claw adapter" to a derailleur like you did?

    Does it put the jockey pulley further away from the cogs and affect the shifting in any way? Or did your Campy dropout need the same type of "claw"?

    I'm still new to this forum and notice that a fair amount of older bikes have a "claw" like that, at least the cheaper drivetrains that I've seen do. My 1975'ish Peugeot Mixte has a Simplex Delrin (ugh!) derailleur with one. Can a derailleur that comes with one be used without it?

    I apologize if these are dumb questions, but I was also wondering if you need certain rear dropouts for certain rear derailleurs. It seems that when I read about someone's vintage build up a lot of switching of parts happens.

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    If you see it has an adjusting screw. Making it useful on varying dropout angles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RosyRambler View Post
    I'm sorry if this goes off topic, but I was wondering what happens when you add a "claw adapter" to a derailleur like you did?

    Does it put the jockey pulley further away from the cogs and affect the shifting in any way? Or did your Campy dropout need the same type of "claw"?

    I'm still new to this forum and notice that a fair amount of older bikes have a "claw" like that, at least the cheaper drivetrains that I've seen do. My 1975'ish Peugeot Mixte has a Simplex Delrin (ugh!) derailleur with one. Can a derailleur that comes with one be used without it?

    I apologize if these are dumb questions, but I was also wondering if you need certain rear dropouts for certain rear derailleurs. It seems that when I read about someone's vintage build up a lot of switching of parts happens.
    Claw mounts were used on bikes without integral derailleur hangers. Most of those bikes had cheap stamped steel dropouts. Derailleur position wasn't a big issue on claw hangers.

    Most better quality bikes used forged rear dropouts with integral derailleur hangers.

    Back in the 60s there were 3 different standards for rear dropouts used on European bikes, Campagnolo, Simplex and Huret.

    The derailleurs required matching dropouts and were not interchangeable with the other brands. Simplex and Huret thought that they could maintain market share by using proprietary designs.

    Eventually when Suntour and Shimano adopted the Campagnolo style dropouts they became the industry de facto standard. Here's a link to pictures that shows the differences.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/2826722...7624014562729/

    I've seen rear dropouts on a few better quality British bikes that didn't integral derailleur hangers. I've been told that one of the reasons for they were made this way was to allow the use of a derailleur with a claw mount, a 3 speed internal gear hub like a Sturmey Archer or a single speed or fixed gear.

    Chas. verktyg

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    More pictures. This Jubilee can be mounted on a regular Huret Forged Dropout, a Standard Campagnolo Forged Dropout, or a frame with an integral hanger, with either a Huret Claw or Campagnolo style claw. I've been told it's very rare, but, what do I know!!!








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    Those drillium Jubilee derailleurs were pretty rare. They actually weighed more than the standard Jubilees because Huret had to beef up the pulley cage.

    The black claw looks like a Campy or some other brand hanger that somebody added into the mix. It doesn't make any sense for Huret to to make a separate claw to use with the Campy adapter when you have a properly designed Huret claw that works on it's own???

    Lots of claws will interchange and there were short ones, long ones, spill the wine... ;-)

    Chas. verktyg

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    That's my own Campagnolo claw adapter. I used it for the Pictures so persons would get an Idea of what it would look like, mounted on a Forged Campagnolo Drop out.

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    DOH! I thought it looked familiar. I should have looked at your pictures above before clicking on send!

    The Huret claws were very well made, better than some which were just stamped sheet metal.

    I guess that many readers don't appreciate the value of an integral derailleur hanger. Before the mid 70s they were the sign of a decent quality bike rather than a lower priced or entry level model.

    Probably not many folks here have experienced the joy of trying to fix a flat out in the rain and cold or blowing dust.

    Trying to hold a bike up with one hand and remove the rear wheel with other then the derailleur claw pops out of the dropout and twists the greasy chain around the freewheel and it gets messyier... After you get the wheel free and try to put the claw back in the dropout it falls out again!

    When an unknown bike came into our shop for service one of the first things we did was check the rear derailleur. Bikes with integral hangers were usually better quality and got more attention.

    By the late 70s many bikes came with integral hangers, it was a marketing feature.

    As I mentioned above, many mid range to better quality British bikes came with stamped steel dropouts, even some that were all Reynolds. The reason I've been told was that it gave the owner a choice between a claw mounted derailleur, a 3 or 4 speed internal gear hub or a single speed or fixed gear set up.

    Chas. verktyg

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    Quote Originally Posted by verktyg View Post
    Claw mounts were used on bikes without integral derailleur hangers. Most of those bikes had cheap stamped steel dropouts. Derailleur position wasn't a big issue on claw hangers.

    Most better quality bikes used forged rear dropouts with integral derailleur hangers.

    Back in the 60s there were 3 different standards for rear dropouts used on European bikes, Campagnolo, Simplex and Huret.

    The derailleurs required matching dropouts and were not interchangeable with the other brands. Simplex and Huret thought that they could maintain market share by using proprietary designs.

    Eventually when Suntour and Shimano adopted the Campagnolo style dropouts they became the industry de facto standard. Here's a link to pictures that shows the differences.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/2826722...7624014562729/

    I've seen rear dropouts on a few better quality British bikes that didn't integral derailleur hangers. I've been told that one of the reasons for they were made this way was to allow the use of a derailleur with a claw mount, a 3 speed internal gear hub like a Sturmey Archer or a single speed or fixed gear.

    Chas. verktyg
    Thanks for the explanation verktyg. I'm going to have to refer back to this thread. I've been looking at some SunTour rear derailleurs as a replacement for the cheap Simplex RD.

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    Simplex dropouts need some small modifications to use most Suntour and Shimano derailleurs. This links shows what's required.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/2826722...57624014562729

    Chas. verktyg
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    I'm surprised that vertyg didn't mention that some high end early '70s Gitanes were built with no integral hanger.

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    I think that you are referring to these these dropouts, Simplex Ref 881-881B (I just added them to my Flickr dropout set.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/2826722...57624014562729

    These dropouts dated back to at least the early 60s. They were 5mm wide forged steel rather than the industry standard 7mm wide for forged rear dropouts.

    Gitane used them on a few Tour de France frames in the early 70s.

    My guess is at the beginning of the bike boom French component makers were caught unprepared and demands far outstripped capacity. Also Peugeot used the standard dropouts with integral hangers on their PR-10, PX-10 and other models. They probably had far more juice with Simplex than Gitane. Other French bike makers used the standard dropout on their mid range French equipped bikes too.

    Gitane probably took what they could get at the time.

    One other thing, the British made a lot of better quality frames using dropouts without gear hangers. The explanation I was given was it gave the owner the option of using a derailleur with a claw, a 3 or 4 speed Sturmy Archer hub or running a single speed or fixed gear set up.

    Chas. verktyg

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    Thanks again for all the info verktyg. My dropouts resemble the Simplex Ref 881-881B in your Flickr photos.

    If I can figure out how to post a photo, I'll show what my dropout looks like.

    I just won an Ebay auction for a Huret Duopar-Eco rear derailleur that comes with a claw adapter, so I guess I have a couple of options.

    I'm wondering now if I should look for Suntour bar-con shifters or Huret downtube ones. I've been trying to educate myself with "The Dancing Chain" book. I thought it was pretty dull until I recently caught the classic and vintage bug. It's turned out to be very helpful (I think!), and a lot more interesting.

    And I apologize to all for hijacking this thread.

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