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    Velo Orange headset for my 1984 Paramount

    My 1984 Paramount is currently sporting a Super Record headset that is brinelled and makes hands free riding a bit less carefree than I'd like.

    The Velo Orange caged headset in ISO has a 41mm stack height that matches what references I could find for the Super Record headset, so I assume this would be a suitable replacement?

    Also, would anyone recommend stepping up to the roller bearing or sealed versions? I'd have to pop off the stem and see whether the extra millimeter of the sealed version would cause me any trouble, or whether the aluminum spacer in the Super Record headset would be appropriate to bring up the 37mm roller bearing version.
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    Tugrul, skip the roller bearing version. The sealed bearing headset is awesome. I'm a believer in sealed bearing headsets now. They're so easy to setup and are shockingly smooth. The difference is almost night and day.

    I needed to use a spacer on my dad's Trek 620. I never had the original headset, but I assume it must've had a taller stack height than the VO unit.

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    You don't want to try the cheapskate or rather the C&V method of moving the crown race 1/4 clockwise and the lower cup 3/8 of a turn counterclockwise and use loose balls?

    that should keep the divets from lining up with the balls
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    I ride hands free quite a bit, so replacing the beat up alloy races and balls might be the cheapskate option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd View Post
    Tugrul, skip the roller bearing version. The sealed bearing headset is awesome. I'm a believer in sealed bearing headsets now. They're so easy to setup and are shockingly smooth. The difference is almost night and day.
    I'll probably have a shop install it, but what's preloading it like? Is it the same as a caged bearing headset, with rocking the fork back and forth until the play is gone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tugrul View Post
    I'll probably have a shop install it, but what's preloading it like? Is it the same as a caged bearing headset, with rocking the fork back and forth until the play is gone?
    I've just set them up like other headsets, yeah. It was much easier/faster. You can feel the difference immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd View Post
    I've just set them up like other headsets, yeah. It was much easier/faster. You can feel the difference immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelJLloyd View Post
    I've just set them up like other headsets, yeah. It was much easier/faster. You can feel the difference immediately.
    Well, curse you.... now I want to try one. I had assumed the main advantage was the ease of changing cartridges but never imagined that they felt different.
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    You should be careful talking to the Col. about VO stuff. he really swills down the VO KoolAid
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    I'm now running 3 of the roller bearing versions, Serotta, AB-Frame and Crosscut all have them now (after getting frustrated with short life of the current-gen Campy Record headsets which may or may not have been partially installer error). They feel great on the Serotta and AB-Frame, the Crosscut's feels a little stiff, but that may just need some fine tuning and/or be due to the cable routing or something. I agree that the sealed bearing version is also very nice looking, I also opted for the roller version due to the lower stack height matched that of the record part I was replacing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
    You should be careful talking to the Col. about VO stuff. he really swills down the VO KoolAid
    Fair enough, but I'm talking about all sealed bearing, threaded headsets here. I have an HP-6500 headset that was just as easy to setup and feels just as good. And, at least, I use the stuff before either praising it or poo-pooing it.

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    I like the VO headsets and think they are a great value. I am planning to put one of their sealed, threaded headsets on my next bike project. I like the install it, and forget about it aspect of sealed headsets -- particularly after having a few roller bearing headsets that got brinelled.

    Also like the old Shimano headsets and wish they hadn't quit making them. I had a NOS Ultegra headset that I stupidly sold to help fund my last project and I'm still kicking myself over that one. I never had a single problem with the Ultegra headset on my old Merckx Corsa, and it probably had 20,000 miles of use when I sold the frame and fork.

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