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    My Old UJ-10 (?) And - Maybe - My Son's?

    As I may have mentioned before, I recently learned that the bicycle I rode as a boy was still in our family, somewhere in my grandmother's basement in New Jersey. I decided to tack a personal day on to a business trip to New York, and so here I am, standing in a dark basement crammed with fifty years' of junk from the pack rats in our family. After some searching, I've unearthed my old Peugeot.

    I rode this when we lived in Vancouver, Canada, which would have been around 1970. The bike was likely bought in Canada, and may have been new, or maybe not, as we were pretty poor. Dad was a grad student on a post doc at the University. Mom was not in the picture. I was a 7 y/o boy, mostly a latchkey kid, entertaining myself with Star Trek re-runs, Legos, building plastic models, blowing those up in the vacant lot with my friends, and riding all over the city on my bike. I remember pedaling into downtown Vancouver to visit a shop that sold Hot Wheels. Perhaps on that trip, I also remember shoplifting a Hot Wheel, and then being so ashamed by my deed that I never stole anything ever again.

    When we were kids, bikes were our magic carpets. How else could a little kid travel for miles, explore distant lands, experience speed, all far from his parent who in any case wasn't coming home until late that night? Of course, my friends' bikes were StingRays and they jumped and skidded them all over the dirt lots, while I watched glumly from my hopelessly uncool French ten-speed.

    It didn't help that the bike was way too big for me. At first, I couldn't even stand over it, much less mount or dismount. I still remember how my dad taught me to ride. We went to the top of a hill in a local park. He placed me on the bike, gave me a push, and set me rolling down a winding asphalt path. My instructions were to coast down the path until it was about to end, then steer off onto the grass and JUMP OFF. Which I did, faithfully, bike and boy tumbling amidst a cloud of grass and dirt. Again and again.

    How this taught me to ride, I have no idea, but somehow it did, and even though I still couldn't stand over my bike, I rode it everywhere for three years. Then we moved. The bike was shipped across the continent, and ended up in this basement, minus pedals and seat. Here it has stayed, while a forest of old boxes, scrap wood, discarded pipe, and household junk grew up around it.



    It is a boy's bike, basically a shrunken UO-8. From some brief browsing, I think it might be a UJ-10, which was the larger of Peugeot's two juvenile models. But it could be a G-50, I am not sure.

    http://mysite.verizon.net/imagelib/s...&title=UJ%2010

    Before leaving home, I measured my son's inseam at 28.5". My old bike has a seat tube C-T-C of 19". The cranks are miniature things, skinny and about 150 mm center to center. So with the seat set to give him about 29" from seat top to pedal at 6 o'clock, there will be about 2" of seat post showing. That sounds fine to me.

    So, I could bring my old bike home for my son to ride. Should I?

    He needs a new bike, as he's outgrown his current one. He thinks his sister's UO-8 is the coolest thing. The drop bars are "like Tron". Old French ten-speeds are not uncool, in my son's world - they are very cool indeed.

    But, and there is always a but . . .

    This bike isn't a museum piece that has emerged from its long slumber in NOS condition. I must have ridden it hard and put it away wet. The paint has a lot of chips and a couple flakes. The leather seat is missing, and the seatpost is of bizarrely small diameter. Not sure where I will find a clamp to fit it. All the cables are toast. It needs a thorough cleaning. I'll have to eventually relace the wheels with aluminium rims. Plus the usual deep cleaning, relubing, and whatever else turns up.

    At the end of the day, getting my old bike packed up, shipped home to Portland, and put back into good riding condition will probably cost, oh, $200 to $300.

    And what does the bike think about it? I can't tell. It is deeply asleep, hasn't woken, isn't speaking to me. Maybe it wants to have another boy excitedly pumping its pedals and leaning through the rushing curves. Or maybe it is tired and just wants to moulder away in this dark basement. I'm not sure.

    What say you? Leave this old bike to sleep in my memories of distant youth? Or give it a second life in the light and sun?
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    Do it.
    Rehab/parts shipping: $300+.
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    I don't think it'll be 300. If you do the work, much less. And reading your post, I think you want to do this. For affirmation, you've come to a bulliten board jammed with bicycle enablers. Like we'll tell you no. Do it, and have fun at it.
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    Well how much would a decent bike for your son end up costing you new? Or even used and cleaned up? I really have no idea but I'd probably guess at least 100? That coupled with the nostalgia and the general good experience of working on an old bike I'd say go for it.

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    If you do the work you should be able to get by for under $100.00 I'd bet, I'd love to find another kids size project like that.

    Very well worth the effort especially since it was yours, very, very cool.

    I did one last summer, started with this.



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    That should be a great project for you and your son!
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    Ball is rolling. Bike's in UPS' hands.

    I realized that there will be eleven bikes, including working ones and projects, at my house. Wife is going to have a bovine. Gotta get rid of the outgrown kids' bikes ASAP and stash a couple deep in my basement.

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    Great story! Really glad to hear you are going to fix it up for your son
    Looking forward to the "after" pics!

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    My boyhood Peugeot UJ-10 (?) arrived via the brown truck. I put it on the stand.



    Then my wife came into the garage - uh oh.

    She looked around at all the bikes. Tapped her feet. Noticed a midnight blue Cannondale R1000 that hadn't been there the last time she looked. <Hold my breath.> She laughs. <Whew!> "It's pretty! Is it my new bike?". <Of course, dearest.>.

    Divorce averted, I turn her attention to my former and my son's future bike. I point out the 1971 City of Vancouver bike registration sticker.



    She allows as to how that is kind of cool, then wrinkles her nose. "The paint is awful. Can't you make it look better?" <I could strip it and powder coat, and get repro decals.> "Well, it's going to be your son's bike, you should do that."

    I am nothing if not an obedient husband, so I start tearing down the old UJ-10.

    The bike really is filthy.



    The paint is battered.



    But nothing is really broken. The plastic Simplex derailleurs are uncracked and look like they'll clean up fine. The Mafac half hoods are toast, and one lever is bent, but I have a spare lever if needed. The stem isn't frozen. The seatpost, hmm, I soaked it it WD-40 and we'll find out tommorrow. Problem is there is only 1.5" of post above the seat lug, so I may have to use the vise and ruin the post. If it is frozen, that is.

    So here we are. I'll clean off the worst grime and bring it to the bike co-op to remove the cottered crank. I don't have the press, though maybe I should get one.



    I have a couple of questions, though.

    First, how would you strip the paint off? I assume chemical means will be the easiest.

    Second, anyone know a bike-savvy powder coater in Portland OR?

    Third, what's a good source for decals? One wrinkle is, this is a youth bike and everything is a bit miniature. I think decals for an adult Peugeot will be too large.

    Fourth, would you clean up the original components and re-install them? Or would you modernize it in any way? Again, everything is teeny. A full-size crank would look silly. This may limit my component choices.
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    I would use chemical stripper but I'd first use a hair dryer to try to pull off the old Vancouver bike reg. sticker. That's a family heirloom. As to decals, there's a bloke (maybe he's a chap, I'm not sure I'm clear on the difference) in the UK who does repro and NOS decals. Reasonably priced, huge selection, and surely someone here knows who I'm talking about. of course, you could always measure the decals on a UO-8 (you live in Pertland Ergon, you can't swing a cat without hitting an old Pug) and see how *much* bigger they are.

    Powdercoaters? Sorry man, can't help you.

    Components? Well, occasionally you can find a set of 50.4 cranks in 160 or 165 for a little less on the Bay, maybe that's an option. I would very, very strongly recommend getting new alloy rims. What size *are* those little hoops, anyway? But.... Yeah, keep as much as you can, but swap out the cranks if you're of a mind, rebuild the wheels with new rims, salmon Kool-stops for the MAFACs and you should oughtta have something you and Junior can be very proud of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyl View Post
    First, how would you strip the paint off? I assume chemical means will be the easiest.

    Second, anyone know a bike-savvy powder coater in Portland OR?
    Don't forget to remove the head set cups.

    No need to remove the paint.Most Pc companies will do it.

    There is Brooker Ent. on Powell that does PC for $100 to $150.They have done two for me with fair results.

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    Thanks!

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    This one was found in a warehouse, still in a sealed box.


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    just dont lose any of the bits. might be hard to replace!

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    Rims are roughly 22" diameter flange to flange - super quickie measurement. Maybe 600A size. I'll re-measure more carefully tonight.

    I also quickly measured the decals versus those on daughter's UO-8 - to my surprise, they are the same size, or close enough. Cyclomundo has a sheet of Peugeot "Randonneur" decals that look perfect.

    Although I referred to "seat lug" above, the frame is actually not lugged, my bad.

    I will do my best to remove the 1971 registration decal, but it is so full of holes that it may not survive. I may take some photos of it and try to get it replicated.

    Yes, I think replacing the juvenile-specific bits will be hard. Not that they are valuable, but that they are too worthless to have been preserved for 40 years and placed on eBay. But everything is there, save the seat and seat clamp, and in plastic bags awaiting degreasing and polishing. The chromed steel cranks have rust pips, that may be a PITA.

    Question for my education: Why would you pick powder coating versus painting? If I do the prep, I'm sure I can have some low-end auto paint shop spray this for not a ton of money. Not a "good job" maybe, but will possibly be just as good as the original paint.

    I recall it used to have a leather saddle, that disappeared over the decades of storage. I need to find a juvenile-size leather saddle.
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    Wow. Great reference pic for me.

    And now I understand why the right shifter boss was brazed on and the left clamped on. I wondered about that last night.

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    Looking through the CyclesPeugeot and RetroPeugeot websites, I see that I've been incorrectly referring to this bike as a UJ-10. That was the juvenile model but with 27" wheels.

    My old bike is the G50, the juvenile model with little wheels. Per a 1970 catalog, the rims are "600" which must mean 600A, and it takes 24 x 1/8 tires.

    Too late to change the thread title, but I wanted to correct myself and avoid any later confusion.

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    On this bike, there are no cable housing stops either brazed or clamped to the frame.

    Instead, the cables are in housing for their entire length. That's brake and shifter cables. Along the top and down tubes, and along the right chain stay, there are soft metal clips attached to the frame that bend over the cable housing - kind of like a staple.

    I've never seen this before, but for all I know it was common in lower-end bikes back 40+ years ago. I dunno.

    Am I correct in assuming those are unobtainum, so I'd better (a) keep them I'm the frame, have them powder coated, and hope the powder coat is flexible enough to not crack off when the clip is bent over the housing, or (b) find some other way to hold housing to frame, hopefully more slightly than zip ties?

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    Why powder-coat? It's tougher than paint by a long streak of chalk. Probably the right choice for a kid's bike.

    The screw-on housing clips like on big-person bikes are widely available, both through bike shops and on eBay. Put them on loosely, run the cable housing through, get them where you want them, and screw them down.

    You're certainly asking all the right questions. This bike is going to knock 'em dead.
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    (I'm going to note in, this thread, information I find that is specifically relevant to vintage junior bikes like this one. Maybe it will be useful to someone else. Some of it may be handy for very short adults too.)

    Vintage French junior bikes often have steel 600A rims, bead diameter 540mm, commonly called 24 x 1 3/8. Hardly any LBS will have heard of "600A" or know where to get alloy rims this size. It looks like the answer is BMX parts. Browsing around those vendors, I'm finding SUN 24 x 1 3/8 alloy rims, <400g, 36 holes, among other choices.

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    Looks like yours is a ten speed where the ones Grand-Bois and I posted are three speeds, very similar otherwise.

    I can't wait to see how yours turns out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyl View Post
    (I'm going to note in, this thread, information I find that is specifically relevant to vintage junior bikes like this one. Maybe it will be useful to someone else. Some of it may be handy for very short adults too.)

    Vintage French junior bikes often have steel 600A rims, bead diameter 540mm, commonly called 24 x 1 3/8. Hardly any LBS will have heard of "600A" or know where to get alloy rims this size. It looks like the answer is BMX parts. Browsing around those vendors, I'm finding SUN 24 x 1 3/8 alloy rims, <400g, 36 holes, among other choices.
    Kenda makes a gumwall tire in 540; if you're going to be buying a new rim, you might consider to the terry 24" (ISO 520), which has a Pasela available, or all the way up to a 650C (ISO 571), for a much better tire selection. The Kendas are a heavy, numb, dead ride.
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    I will measure to see if I can fit 650C wheels. Kind of doubtful, from 540mm to 571mm is 15mm difference in radius. If not, maybe I can fit narrow 26" MTB rims 559mm. Or I can stick with 600A (540mm) or go to 520mm.

    Terry's website offers a Schwalbe in 540mm.
    http://www.terrybicycles.com/Accesso...es-1/rightrun-

    Looks like there is a Panaracer Pasela in 520mm - this must be the one you referred to.
    http://www.bicycletires.com/ppcpob/p...re_24x1/pp.htm
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    Slow progress but some progress.

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