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    Cool Paramount

    Always wanted one of these, but this has moved outside my reality...

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-55-cc-P...#ht_500wt_1254

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    That's pretty cool and local to me. I've seen other frames like this but not a Paramount.
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    Is there a name for a seat tube that's curved like this?
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    Schwinn called them "short coupled" frames, and they were also called "sprint style" frames.

    The eBay bike should have chromed head lugs. I think it's a repaint.

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    Guess I'll have to hold out for a Jack Taylor...

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    A new one on me. Neat.

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    In the '75 Paramount catalog, Schwinn calls it a "Sprint style" frame. Note the specs call for chromed head lugs.

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    I wonder how many were ordered with "twin stick" shifters.

    Wasn't there also a Varsity Sprint?

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    There was a lower end Schwinn Sprint in 73 I think, with the funky curved seat tube. Saw one on CL last week. Beat up but not bad for $100. It was off the list in under an hour, so hopefully it is getting a good spa treatment, cleaning, new tires and cables, and will live a new life.

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    Notice the lack of any lug on the bb. Is that normal?

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    It sure looks like a repaint to me. Paramount paint was generally not much better than the average Schwinn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RubberLegs View Post
    There was a lower end Schwinn Sprint in 73 I think, with the funky curved seat tube. Saw one on CL last week. Beat up but not bad for $100. It was off the list in under an hour, so hopefully it is getting a good spa treatment, cleaning, new tires and cables, and will live a new life.
    Yup, two years only I believe. Here's one I did a couple years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
    Notice the lack of any lug on the bb. Is that normal?
    I think so. They had to fillet braze the seat tube to the BB shell because the severely acute angle between the down tube and the seat tube wouldn't provide enough room on the BB shell to have separate lugs for each tube, so they just fillet brazed the chain stays, seat tube, and down tube.
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    Yesterday when I was looking at the ebay listing, my reaction was "Where is the chrome?" Even though the seller says it is NOS and has never been built, I was convinced that it should have chrome lugs (unless it was a track model, which it isn't), and chrome seat & chain stays and rear dropouts. Also the paint looked a bit too metallic to be original.

    So I offer these other facts to prove it has been repainted:

    -Notice that "Schwinn" is missing as part of the downtube decal with "Paramount."
    -Sometime this morning, the seller added this to the description; "Rear Wheel Spacing 130mm." The frame was coldset and respaced from 120mm.
    -There is some sort of "wart" hanging off the bottom of the toptube about 1/4th of the way from the seatube
    -There are braze on shifter bosses. Originally it had bandon shifters (look closely in the catalog photo).

    The seller needs to disclose all this.
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    Most of the "sprint" style Paramounts in Southern California way back went to Paramount C.C. riders and were silver. Some had and some did not have chrome. This one might be worth paying Waterford for the info on.

    I do agree, it does look like a repaint, and probably a Baylis one. Which is very good. The seller notes he has some Baylis track bikes... you put the puzzle together.

    There is a logic problem on the paint claim too, the frame was respaced to 130 mm and the paint is pristine... Why bother doing that if the bike has never been used?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrk101 View Post
    Notice the lack of any lug on the bb. Is that normal?
    I imagine the seat tube went in at an angle not available from a lug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Bois View Post
    I wonder how many were ordered with "twin stick" shifters.

    My 72 Paramount came with those: stem mounted.

    Interesting they didn't offer the "sprint" style in a track bike, or did they? As far as the chrome lugs, I remember reading somewhere in Schwinn literature you could save 50 bucks if you took them painted.
    Last edited by dbakl; 02-18-12 at 09:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh View Post

    So I offer these other facts to prove it has been repainted:
    Impressive detective work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbakl View Post
    Interesting they didn't offer the "sprint" style in a track bike, or did they? As far as the chrome lugs, I remember reading somewhere in Schwinn literature you could save 50 bucks if you took them painted.
    They did offer the P14-0 track bike with the sprint style frame. The P14-0 was the only model that came standard with painted head lugs, but chrome plated head lugs and fork crown were available at extra cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooper View Post
    They did offer the P14-0 track bike with the sprint style frame.
    Seems to make more sense on a track bike. A friend has a Jack Taylor curved tube and the angle of the seat tube is such that he can't run a front derailler. Don't know if that was planned or not.

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