scattermish

i can't for the life of me work out even what brand this bike is?
It was sold to me as a vintage peugeot.
i could tell from the pictures the colour and decals were off, but i was aware that it had a new paint job on it, but upon closer inspection i don't think it's a peugeot at all...

the guy i bought it off says it's a "peugeot clubman track training bike circa 1973". He reckons they were used as training bikes and road bikes in the '70s. He thinks the 5 speed cog on it is original, but everything else has been redone, so there's no help there...

What got me suspicious, apart from the really shoddily redone stickers, was that there's no serial number anywhere to be found (but perhaps this could have been sandblasted off??) and the back end of the frame that connects to the hub and wheel set looks like something that i can't find on any other peugeot, or for that matter any other bike (i've found some similar - biachi's, styrs). There's also a weird "9793" number engraved into the back end of the frame there...


Can anybody help me guess what this bike is?? i'm really lost on it. The frame is a bit heavy, and not the prettiest thing in my opinion, so i'm trying to convince myself it's worth getting a paint job and new tyres for to make it a bit more aesthetically pleasing...

thanks for any info!!

P.S. love the forum. been tralling, just became a member

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Chombi

Except for the familiar looking fork crown (looks similar to what's found on 80's Peugeot Carbolite forks), the bike does not ring any Peugeot bells for me.
The track style rear dropouts do look srange with those rack/fender eyelets on it though.... head lugs look strange with very crude estensions toward the TT and DT.
Pump peg style and location might be a clue for someone to recognize what the bike really is. As you might suspect, it could be just a decal job by the PO. The decals definitely look too new for the frame. Notice too the holes on the head tube that was used for a headbadge.....its location suggests quite a large headbadge.
I hope you did not pay too much for this thing....

Chombi

toytech

Looks a lot like a Steyr or Puch maybe.

catmandew52

Before the experts can weigh in, get your metric calipers out and supply: seat post diameter, stem diameter and check the bottom bracket threading(french, english, italian, swiss?)https://sheldonbrown.com/cribsheet-bottombrackets.html
The 9793 on the DO is probably the SN.

Not an expert, but I doubt it was an actual track bike, with those pump pegs, steel rims and seat clamp.

Fenway

The lug style matches what I've seen on a few Puchs. No way in hell that crude of a frame is a Peugeot. It's still a decent lugged frame if cleaned up and given decent components. Not worth investing a lot of money in, but if you like the frame it is perfectly fine set of bones to work and ride on.

scattermish

Thanks heaps for the feedback guys! Yeah maybe it's a puch, it seems to look similar than some of their models, yet I'm still having trouble finding an exact match...

No matter though, i didnt pay too mych on it, $300 which isnt too bad here, and its innreasonable nik. However its still enuf for me to be annoyed at, are well live and learn.

I've found a nice Peugeot P 10 to replace it. I'm trying to get the guy I bought it off to take it back, otherwise I'll have to try and sell it again and hopefully not take too much of a loss...

Bianchigirll 

Where is here? "In reasonable nik"? UK?

I am not Peugeot expert but I agree something may be afoot here. The rear wheel has both a single speed and 5 speed freewheel? I do not see anyway to attach a RD to the frame.

I suspect that 9793 may be the serial number. perhaps this bike is much older that the seller was lead to believe.

Didn't the older/earlier coveted Raleigh Clubmans have {OH NO NO I am not saying this is a or may be a Raleigh so take it easy** have track style dropouts and pumppegs? perhaps this is some sort of cheapish cousin.

If the seller won't tkae it back, I would put some better brake levers on it and ride it or try and resell it to recoup some of my investment.

Poguemahone

I agree with the comments to get your metric calipers. From the post size, you can at least figure tubing quality. From the stem and bar size, you may be able to figure country of origin, or at least narrow it down. Not to mention the bottom bracket and headset threadings. I don't think it is a peugeot, and those track ends make little sense to me-- I've seen bikes reworked at the rear since the fixie craze developed, but those appear to be vintage track ends, and the serial number on the ends indicates they are either original or lifted from another bike. Some peugeots did place a serial number there, BTW, but that looks like no 70s pug serial number I have ever seen; too short. Those Pug decals are way later

In short, you may never figure out what it is, but you can at least narrow some things down.

Catnap 

hey Scattermish, a bit unrelated, but are you the same dude as Scattermish the remix artist?

non-fixie 

It may not be high end, as some of the brethren suggest, but I like it. If only because of the detective work that comes with the identification. Track dropouts with fender eyelets? Italian style seat post clamp? Strange lugwork? I'm subscribing to this one.

zukahn1 

Well it doesn't appear to be a track training frame or Peuget. With the fender eyelets and other braze on's it appears to be a lower end 3 speed likely English maybe european frame that some one has tried to make look like a track bike. I hope you didn't pay a track bike price for this bike.

whatwolf

this is a weird one for sure. be aware that the c-shaped clip on your chain is on the wrong way (closed side should be facing forward as chain travels.)