Shutter

Thanks to everybody for all your help and ideas!! I just finished it!!

(The bar tape is in the mail and i still have to order new brake pads... those are original and ROCK hard... they really don't work at all...)

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dmcdam

Looks great! I just did a similar thing with an old Gitane frame, albeit with much less blingy components. How's it ride?

Ed in Toronto

(¯`'•.¸(¯`'•.¸Great Looking Bike!!¸.•'´¯)¸.•'´¯)

Shutter

Thanks! I had built up a basic bianchi into a single speed before but with all generic cheapie parts... I loved how it rode so I decided to build up another single speed with all "bling" parts... It was quite a pricey build I will have to say... But it rides like a dream!!

Shutter

Thanks! Since both of you are from toronto you can appreciate this bike even more! The bike frame was originally built at the Cambio Rino factory in Mississauga (about 30 min from here)..

MPC Biker

pedals from mountain equipment co-op i've got the same ones and i love em

congrats on the beautiful build, ride it hard

Shutter

Hahaha YUP! $33 !!! I have them on three of my bikes!!!

Thanks!!!

devinfan

Looks awesome, well done! How did you get the cranks so shiny? Did you remove the anodizing and polish them? What colour bar tape did you end up going for? Hopefully I'll see it on the streets of T.O.

Shutter

Thanks!!

I sanded them with 400, then 800, then 2000, then polished with mothers aluminum polish, then wet sanded with 2000 using the polish, then polished again

I couldn't decide so I ordered red, blue, and white from jensonusa ($5.99 each for Easton tape)... I will have to do some experimenting... I will only need half a pack to do both sides because I'm only wrapping the lower section for a "track bike" look

element-82

Nice! I love the brakes, veloce or athena? I was looking for some like that a while back, and ordered a set of centaur skeletons 2011, before the downgrade. I have a bling fixie too. I put track bars a nd grips on mine. I am really happy with the track grips.
Pb

Shutter

Nice! I just picked up a set of used skeletons because they do look really cool too. Those ones are Athena I believe... There are two styles, this one is more bulky than the other ones which I believe are chorus... I also have a set of chorus ones on my Rossin

dejaviewcambio

Hi-they were not made in Toronto-the frames were made by Scapin in Italy. Cambio Rino was a parts maker in Italy. Cambio Rino bikes were in a way rebadged Scapins for the Canadian market only. If you check the Scapin 1980s catalogue on the internet you will see there was even a Scapin Cronos model with a Cambio Rino Cronos Gruppo. This is the reason why the "Cambio Rino" frames are so nice-Scapin was/is known for their beautiful workmanship. I asked a former Italian-Canadian Canadian Team member and bike shop owner who imported Cambio Rinos directly (not through Joe Gardin) and he confirmed my research (I think the guy might be Gardin's cousin). He confirmed that Scapin made the frames because Cambio Rino was only a parts maker. I personally really like my Cambio Rino parts-they are superlight and usually lighter than my Campagnolo Super Record parts.

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poprad

Nice build OP, very classy looking

randyjawa 

I have not actually owned a really high end Cambio Rino, but would want to question which part of the Scapin shop this frame set came from..?



I have owned quite a few other Cambio Rino bicycles, the 2000 being the nicest of the batch. I though they were all of Canadian origin. I would certainly like to see some pictures of Italian Cambio Rino bicycles, if anyone has some to share.

Citoyen du Monde

Wow! Imagine that! I must have been sleep-walking when I visited the Mississauga plant and watched as they brazed the frames in front of me. I must also have been hallucinating when I witnessed guys sponsored by Joe Gardin have damage to their frames repaired in 2 days. Just imagine back in the 80's being able to fly a frame over to Scapin, have the repairs made, the frame repainted and returned in less than 48 hours! NOT!!!!!

Back in 1984-86, as I was completing my university studies, Joe Gardin tried to get me to come work with him. I therefore got to know him quite well. He was originally an importer of Rino components from Italy in the late 70's, subsequently becoming exclusive importer (and perhaps part owner of Rino) in the very early 80's. He also imported frames which were built in Italy which were branded Cambio Rino. The frames were considered by Joe to be commodities, which he could source from a variety of third-party builders, as required and depending on price. It would not at all surprise me if he did indeed make use of Scapin as one of his suppliers, but Joe was too much of a wheeler-dealer to be tied to only one supplier. Subsequently he brought over a frame-builder and set up his own production of frames while continuing to import parts from Rino in Italy. Initially producing the frame under the Cambio Rino name and then switching over to Gardin branding when he had some issues with the owner of Rino. There are far more Cambio Rino-branded bikes in Canada that were built in Canada than there are ones imported from Italy. Some of the top Canadian Cambio Rino frames (built personally by the immigrant Italian shop foreman) are absolutely superb, others are anything but.

dejaviewcambio

I checked back because I had forgotten to say that it was the early frames that were made by Scapin. The early Miele frames were made by Rossi (or Rossin). Did the frames that Gardin actually make have all the pantographing? I would assume they'd try to copy the "Italian" frames. It was not usual for any company to "outsource" frames or parts-even the italians. Gipiemme even put their name on french simplex derailleurs. Sorry I didn't mention that the later frames were made in Toronto-it would be nice to see one of the higher quality ones from Toronto-I know there are so many "low-budget" cambio rinos out there. Were the real low-budget ones outsourced to japan when the "yen" was low? Ps-Randys' black Rino looks great, but those are wild lugs without the Cambio Rino pantographing (Scapins have similar pantographing on the top of the seatstays to high end rinos). Would Randy's be a Canadian "high-end" rino?. Ps-I also worked out that the two world championships mentioned on Cambio Rinos were Gord Singleton's of Canada. No one else has ever mentioned that.

Citoyen du Monde

I'm sorry to say that it is posts like yours that reduce the value of any information that can be collected on the Internet. If you do not know what you are talking about, it is better to simply not say anything. In your first post you wrote that the Cambio Rino frames were not made in Toronto and rather by Scapin. If, as you now claim, you knew that this statement was not completely true or only applied to a small sub-section of these bikes, then why would you make the statement? Or at very least make sure that people knew that you were making a supposition or were only speaking of a small portion of the Rino bikes? By not doing so, anything in your posts is immediately put into total disrepute. Personally, I believe that is also where it belongs...

I raced against Gord and as best as I can recall, he never was sponsored by Joe Gardin. I would be happy to be contradicted in that statement but I truly do not remember any connection between Gord and Joe whatsoever. This either while racing against him or later when I was talking to Joe about possibly working with him. Kurt Harnett, another world champion, on the other hand was. Kurt also featured prominently in Joe's marketing. At least part of Kurt's frames were built in Canada during the time that Joe sponsored him. The two world championships mentioned on the decal on the black frame are therefore neither tied to Gord or Kurt in any way. These refer to world championships won on bikes equipped with Rino parts at the 1981 Brno and 1982 Leicester track world championships. BTW, the black frame pictured in your post is anything but "great" as far as quality workmanship. it is straightforward and simple, more than likely made of gas-pipe tubing and built to a price. At the time that this frame would have been built, due to punitive tariffs imposed on imported bikes, it was far more common that low end bikes were actually built in Canada than imported from Japan. Indeed in the late 70's, there were large production plants producing bikes under the CCM, Sekine, Raleigh and Peugeot names.

Lastly, very few lugs or frame elements are "pantographed". Most are engraved or cast. While it is commonplace among the cycling fraternity to mistakenly call it pantographing (I have undoubtedly done it myself), this is not correct as no use of a pantograph is made. One would be better off to call this engraving. Items made out of relatively soft metals like stems, cranks, seatposts etc... were historically produced using pantographs in the 70's and 80's. This was generally not the case for lugs, fork crowns and other frame elements made out of harder metals. Today, all of this work, both on soft as well as hard metals, is generally done with a CNC machine.

Zaphod Beeblebrox 

Thanks for the History Steve! Its always a pleasure to hear you talk shop.

ftwelder

I was showing a machinist buddy my Grandis and called the engraving work "pantograph". I knew I was going to have to explain why I used that word. I said "that is what we call it man".

Shutter

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Hey... can't we all just agree that the bike looks sweeeet? =)

(P.S.... I was right... Mississauga... Boo Ya!)

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randyjawa 

Absolutely, but Citoyen du Monde has a very good point. When horribly wrong information is shared, it needs to be outed immediately and I like the way he did it. Chances are we will not hear from dejaviewcambio again. Too bad since he, or she, just might be missing a great learning opportunity, in this thread.

Italuminium

+1. Bickering is ok as long as it actually pertains to somebody stating wrong information OT, what a beautiful ride. Enjoy.

Shutter

=) Thanks!

KvltBryce

Post some pics with the bartape when you can!
I looks really sleek, I like!

dejaviewcambio

"Horribly Wrong"-lol- omg-that might describe your first marriage perhaps-I did mention that I checked the thread because I had forgotten to mention that I did not mean all cambio rinos were made by scapin, but the "higher end ones". ps- did you look to see who the winners were in the world championships mentioned on the bike-did you ever wonder why they are mentioned? -I should have made it more clear that the singleton part was more of guess based on research-I don't remember Singleton being sponsored by Rino as you mentioned though.

I did mention I talked to an importer of cambio rinos into canada and he said that mine was made by scapin-ps - I did say "imported" and it my rino does say imported on the decal and the man I talked to has his name on the decal and he raced for canada-perhaps he beat you (maybe you were busy giving adviceat the back of the peleton that day-just kidding)-lol. If I'm mistaken, well, he is too. ps -"Chances are we will not hear from dejaviewcambio again. Too bad since he, or she, just might be missing a great learning opportunity, in this thread". randy-I've already learned some valuable lessons from dealing with you in the past.