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Old 04-06-12, 02:32 AM   #1
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A fine day for Canadian cycles: Proctor frame/fork (on a second chance)

Now, this has been a fine day for Canadian cycles indeed, as far as I'm concerned.

For one thing, I snagged this 62cm Marinoni in Columbus SP, Tricolor-equipped & located in the home of that make, where I will soon be joining it:

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...rinoni-Special

And for another, I also picked up a fine Proctor road race frame & fork in the West End of Vancouver, Reynolds 531c with Reynolds 531 fork blades, Campagnolo dropouts, and a nice 80s paint job in blue and white. Came otherwise unadorned save for Shimano 600 headset (with the funny top-nut) and generic seatpost binder bolt.

Decals are cracking a bit, and no pantographs (as I've seen on some other frames from this fine Edmonton, Alberta-based builder). Paint is generally very good, with a few so-so touchups (one on the fork blade, another covering a scuff from a clamp-on FD, one just above the bottle bosses and a couple on the stays where the original owner had added, then removed, braze-ons for a rack). All in all, it's a pretty good looking bike for its age, especially given that I'm inclined to believe the original owner kept it regularly exercised.

Funnily enough, this was my second crack at this exact bike...against all odds, as these are not by any means common, especially sized for 6'3". In fact, I nearly bought it about a year ago as a complete bike (I recall 1 1x9sp setup the then-owner was fond of at the time, the aforementioned racks, but no longer sure of the other details). I picked up and built a Nishiki Prestige instead. IIRC, while the original owner (might've been the 2nd owner, actually) had a CL ad up, it had escaped my attention - and he emailed me in response to a WTB ad I posted.

Especially coincidental, that's exactly how I came to have a second shot at it. A WTB ad that had thus far (in some weeks) brought me little more than a beat-up and too-small Ciocc, a so-so Japanese Bianchi and a couple of other non-starters prompted a cryptically concise email: was I looking for 130mm spacing? "Not that particular," I replied - I can work with 130, 126, even 120mm. "What've you got?"

Subsequently, he asked me - I having mentioned in my WTB that Canadian bikes are of particular interest - whether a Proctor would fit my criteria. For sure. I had to ask: had he happened to buy it off a gentleman in Tsawassen (south of Vancouver, where that previous seller had been located)? Turns out, we can agree, that it's a small world indeed where large-framed Proctors are concerned.

In any case, a brief but amiable chat and an exchange of funds found me on public transport with the frame over my shoulder this evening. Here it is:



I'll post some more photos after a much-needed can of beer and a good night's sleep. All this excitement is killing me.
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Old 04-06-12, 03:10 AM   #2
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Awesome! That's a great looking frame. Congrats! Love the down-tube decal.
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Here are another couple pics (including the head tube decal, which is the same as the one on the back of the seat tube):



I like the subtle upwards-facing lug point on the lower head tube lug. Some nice details on this frame, lugs are much smoother/cleaner (nicely filed, I suppose) than pretty much any other bike I've had. Simple 1980s styling, but nicely executed.

And I won't complain about the lack of 'Proctor' pantographs, as the Marinoni I picked up (or had picked up on my behalf 5000km away) the same day is amply pantoed, including with my initials (M/M) on the fork shoulders. It all works out in the end.

The Proctor, by the way, sports a ~61cm seat tube and ~59.5cm (60cm?) top tube. Confirmed 27.2 seatpost when I got home.
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Cool frame.

Reminds me of my Walter Croll.
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By strange coincidence, this just popped up Toronto's CL: http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/bik/2943760367.html
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By strange coincidence, this just popped up Toronto's CL: http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/bik/2943760367.html
Coincidences are popping all over the place!

That one on TO craigslist seems to have been built up a bit of a mongrel, eh? The paint, etc., looks really good though. Slightly different head tube decal (as with the downtube decals, sort an inverse color scheme), and I think a bit more fork rake than mine...

I wonder if it will last? The previous seller of the one I have (the guy I nearly bought from a year ago; the guy who sold to me never listed it) had ads up for a looooong time on CL trying to sell the one I have now. I believe he listed it both as a geared bike and a single-speed at various times. I think name recognition (and the fact he was in Tsawassen, some distance from the city proper) may have played some role in that. I think a lot of folks who see a name they don't recognize move on quickly.

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Brilliant! (this is the extent of my Canadian-English, from my trip to PEI as a kid 10 years ago)
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Brilliant, eh? Too true.
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A couple more shots in the sunshine this morning to give a hint as the Proctor's likely 1st incarnation in my hands:



I know, I know. But setting it up as a fixie is the cheapest/quickest way to take it out for a spin with what I have on hand. Using my only spare standar 126mm wheelset for my Apollo Imperial around-town build. And I have these Dura-Ace track wheels, conveniently spaced to 126mm, just sitting under the bed. Got them for a song, and stashed them away for just such a purpose. Also have Shimano 600 EX crank with a 48t track ring, so that takes care of that. Likely throw on a Nitto Pearl I have handy, and clamp in the bullhorn bars w/inverse levers that are in the mail from Stausty. I do insist on brakes, even on a fixie (I've actually not ridden fixed before, so this will be an experiment...but not the kind that involved grinding off braze-ons, I promise). I must I have three mismatched dual-pivots, and possibly a pair...

Long-term, I think this is going to be a Suntour geared setup, likely Sprint 9000 rd/fd/shifters, with a 105 (FC-5501) crank.
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After having this frame in storage, stripped down to HS & bottle cage, I finally got around to building it up. I did everything from headset service to cables n the middle of the night last night, in fact...couldn't sleep!

Took it for a shakedown this afternoon on a break from schoolwork, which is a bit plodding given that I didn't actually make it to bed.

Just got the new tires in the mail, and I was reminded of having this one on the back burner when I saw the 'Canada Day' thread.

So - here's the Proctor in the brilliant sunshine, making use of the Ultegra/DeepVs I got myself for my birthday, and fully geared (8sp in back) with a mish-mash of Dura Ace, Ultegra, 105, Suntour Sprint, Superbe Pro, Tektro, ITM and no name bits:









The quill adapter is a bit funny looking, but practical for switching things around.

Needs tape. Thinking Newbaum's in yellow...

Might change out some components at some point, but very nice ride...actually very little to 'shake down' or adjust on that first ride!
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Have been enjoying the Proctor on numerous short rides around the neighbourhood, shaking down and all that.

Thinking I will definitely switch out the FD and shifters soon for Suntour Sprint to match the rear. The 105 6sp's I have on don't seem so nice in friction mode by comparison, and it'll be nice to be a bit more 'matchy' - plus those two Suntour items are nice and shiny coming out of the box. Think I'll keep the DA cranks for now and save the trouble of switching in a Sprint or Superbe set, though...

Here's an updated pic now that I've added a Selle Anatomica Titanico X in 'mahogany', and gotten around to wrapping the bars:


As I've not planned ahead enough to know for sure what kind of road surfaces to expect, I'm thinking I'll bring this one with its beefy wheels and 28mm tires down to the States for our planned weekend getaway in the environs of Portland, OR in a couple of weeks...
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As it's an unusual bike brand, maybe it's worth to have spare frame decals made. for it.....before the rest of it flakes off and then it might be much harder to figure out what they originally looked like..... At least a good decal maker can fill in the blanks at this point.....
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Proctors are a dime a dozen around here...

Okay... not a dime and there are not that many of them as Proctor bicycles (as far as I know) were one off custom builds while the Proctor / Townsend models were produced in larger series.

They are very nicely built as Brad did some very nice work and that is a good looking example.
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As it's an unusual bike brand, maybe it's worth to have spare frame decals made. for it.....before the rest of it flakes off and then it might be much harder to figure out what they originally looked like..... At least a good decal maker can fill in the blanks at this point.....
I know people with fairly mint Proctors so could probably get decent scans and measurements on the decals so that they could be replicated... will be having some done for my Moulden while my own Proctor might stay unadorned as I like the way it looks (it was refinished locally).



It is sometimes hard to know what the original parts were like as Proctor used Shimano and Suntour in the late 80's and 90's and in the cases of frames and forks the owners may have mixed and matched things a little. Have seen lots of Superbe equipped models and Shimano 600 (tricolour) falls into the production timeline... mine was equipped with a mix of Superbe and Cyclone parts and I have been working on a complete Ultegra / tricolour group.
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I recall seeing that red one before, Sixty Fiver, in the 'Classic Rides & Rigs' thread - and it is a favourite (and does look great unadorned).

It certainly would seem worth taking scans/measurements off an example with a nice clean set of decals to facilitate repro's in future.

For now, the cracking on mine I'll call 'character'...but maybe some day I'll be after replacements.

Less far-gone examples would seem to provide better source material!

Certainly hard to know what original components hung on this one, though perhaps a 600 EX group (the headset was the only thing on it when I obtained the frame set, and the vintage is right). The previous owner in Tsawassen had a mix of newer parts on it in this bike's most recent previous incarnation, prior to selling f/f to the guy I got it from (who never built it up, I believe). I think the Suntour/Shimano mix should fit nicely once I've get those other Sprint bits on it, though.

On a not-so-great-news note, now that I finally had the fit just about tweaked, I've just stripped the threads on a stem faceplate fixing bolt.

It's a cheap generic stem (I paid $10 off CL), but the closest replacement in the bin is a bit longer and a different rise/drop, a bit less ideal.

First time I've had one of these stems (rather than a traditional quill) on a bike, and I've evidently overtorqued that little bolt.

I'll have to dig up another stem, it seems...
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Nice bike Mike. You know I still have that Talbot, buddy decided to go with a better condition (Dave?) Douglas instead. Another obscure Canadian marque.

Looks like you're cornering the market of west coast bikes.

Here's the Douglas btw (brutal shot), Columbus tretubi with Accushift 6 drivetrain.



Talbot, PM if you want to consider options.

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A friend of mine has the most exquisite Talbot... will have to upload the pics I have of that.
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Nice beer can. I love that Red Racer.
It's a favourite! Central City/Red Racer brews some good beer.

And while this is an old thread, I just rode this bike to and from work today!

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Nice bike Mike. You know I still have that Talbot, buddy decided to go with a better condition (Dave?) Douglas instead. Another obscure Canadian marque.

Looks like you're cornering the market of west coast bikes.

Here's the Douglas btw (brutal shot), Columbus tretubi with Accushift 6 drivetrain.

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Talbot, PM if you want to consider options.

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Alberta, Ontario, and Québec all have representation!

Never heard of Douglas bikes - you know anything about the history there?

That Talbot is awesome (I recall our discussion about it previously), and I'd love to give one a go one of these days. However, the Cyclops I just picked up is the *absolute* limit for me until I can get at least 2-3 bikes out of the house (and refill the coffers).

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I've seen a few nice ones over the past few years.

Would love to check out pics of your friend's bike!
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It's a favourite! Central City/Red Racer brews some good beer.

And while this is an old thread, I just rode this bike to and from work today!



Alberta, Ontario, and Québec all have representation!

Never heard of Douglas bikes - you know anything about the history there?

That Talbot is awesome (I recall our discussion about it previously), and I'd love to give one a go one of these days. However, the Cyclops I just picked up is the *absolute* limit for me until I can get at least 2-3 bikes out of the house (and refill the coffers).



I've seen a few nice ones over the past few years.

Would love to check out pics of your friend's bike!
what are you letting go? I might another bike to keep at the inlaws new place on the sunshine coast...

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what are you letting go? I might another bike to keep at the inlaws new place on the sunshine coast...

edit: Need.... haha
Definitely clearing out:

- the Apollo Imperial (it's pretty, and kinda cool to have the 'nice' Apollo, but I don't ride it often and not attached)
- a somewhat beat pink Shogun 1000 triple triangle (too small, and I actually found my thighs rubbing the re-placed stays)
- ...and a bike to be named later (I can let you know when I actually decide ).
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I'd like to see those too!

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Never heard of Douglas bikes - you know anything about the history there?
They appeared briefly in the Toronto market in the mid to late 80's, first the road bikes and then some mtn bikes. My first mtn bike was an 87 Douglas Maxim, Deore equipped, tig OS steel, . I learned to love commuting on that beast.

The scuttlebutt is Douglas (the man) gave up on production and became the Mongoose rep for Canada. That's all I know or remember.

edit...Just found a pic of one...awkward mount for a U brake, mine was underneath. Everyone disses that position but it proved to be bombproof for me.


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I have been lucky enough to own, build and ride a Proctor and/or a Proctor-Townsend, the successor to the original Proctor...





Actually, the yellow and blue bike is also a Proctor, but sports the Proctor_Townsend decal set, the original owner having had the bike repainted by the original builder.
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