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    I know the qualities I want in my next bike - but does it exist?

    I'm still a C&V newbie, but I have been reading a whole lot here, and riding a lot, and feel pretty sure that I'd like my next bike to fit the following description. But I don't know if it's out there. I know this is a steep order, and maybe impossible. Please be gentle if this is a foolish quest.

    -Lugged steel road bike
    -Geometry on the relaxed side
    -Takes tires up to 32mm
    -Weighs somewhere around 23 lbs. or less, without major component changes
    -Obtainable without ridiculous luck for $200-$400

    To make it even harder I ride a 61-64cm frame.

    It seems like some of the '70s bikes have the geometry and tire clearance, while some of the mid-to-late '80s bikes are plenty light but have steeper angles and tighter clearances (an Ironman, for example). Is there something that has this combination?

    I know weight isn't really all that important, but my other bikes are in the upper 20s (at least), I live in Utah (lots of hills), and this would be a nice change of pace.

    Please let me know if you have any suggestions for bikes I should be on the lookout for. Many thanks.

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    I've been looking for a hybrid for my wife. Not because it's a female bike, but because its a way for me to ease her into cycling. Maybe something on the order of a Schwinn Crosscut. They seem to be a little cheaper than road bikes. It might be a little heavier (around 25lbs). You would have to convert to a road bar, and maybe barend shifters.

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    Does not exist at that pricepoint. Best road bikes for clearance and geometry are touring or sport touring models. They will be over the 23 pound mark.

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    I'm not sure about the bike market in Utah, but a Peugeot PR10 would come pretty close to those specs, and mine cost me a little over $50 ...

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    My Shogun 1500 matches except for the weight... Not sure what it weighs but it's probably not that light. Tange 2 tubes, triple crank and canti brakes. You may be stuck in the Keith Bontrager rule: "Light, Strong, Cheap. Pick two."

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    Your large frame requirement (over 60cm) will also make it hard to hit the 23 pound wieght limit you posted. Unless it's a race bike with very lightweight tubing. You might look into a 1980's Peugeot PSV then, The PSV has relaxed geometry (72 x 72, IIRC) but I'm not sure if the PSV can accomodate 32mm tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inkandsilver View Post
    I'm still a C&V newbie, but I have been reading a whole lot here, and riding a lot, and feel pretty sure that I'd like my next bike to fit the following description. But I don't know if it's out there. I know this is a steep order, and maybe impossible. Please be gentle if this is a foolish quest.

    -Lugged steel road bike
    -Geometry on the relaxed side
    -Takes tires up to 32mm
    -Weighs somewhere around 23 lbs. or less, without major component changes
    -Obtainable without ridiculous luck for $200-$400

    To make it even harder I ride a 61-64cm frame.

    It seems like some of the '70s bikes have the geometry and tire clearance, while some of the mid-to-late '80s bikes are plenty light but have steeper angles and tighter clearances (an Ironman, for example). Is there something that has this combination?

    I know weight isn't really all that important, but my other bikes are in the upper 20s (at least), I live in Utah (lots of hills), and this would be a nice change of pace.

    Please let me know if you have any suggestions for bikes I should be on the lookout for. Many thanks.
    Viscount!

    Or an early 70's Dawes, Falcon, Raleigh Super Course, etc; you'll have to change some steel parts to aluminum ones, especially the crank (I wouldn't, though; I like cottered cranks).

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    Your expectations are unreasonable, you need to compromise on either the weight, price, or tire clearance. Even a reasonable quality racing bike such as an ironman with 105 components will weigh more than 23lbs in your size... Also you will find 100x more frames that can fit 28c than 32c. 32c is super unnecessary for a road bike anyway.

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    you can probably get close converting a race/tri bike to 650b.

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    Trek Elance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdaspeed View Post
    Your expectations are unreasonable, you need to compromise on either the weight, price, or tire clearance. Even a reasonable quality racing bike such as an ironman with 105 components will weigh more than 23lbs in your size... Also you will find 100x more frames that can fit 28c than 32c. 32c is super unnecessary for a road bike anyway.
    Pretty good summation.

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    In my opinion, it is all doable except for the weight issue. I just sold this Apollo Mark III a couple of days ago and the bicycle, completely rebuilt, set the fellow back an even $300.00 for the bike, the complete refurbishment and the upgrades. Cables, brake pads, drive chain and bar tape were all new items. Anyway, $300 and plenty of fender room, big tire room combined with relaxed geometry, and a big bike to boot. But it is not under, or even close to, 23 pounds...

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    I'd say the tire choice alone, up to 700x32c / 27 x 1 1/4, is gonna up the total weight, (and the 17mm rims you're gonna need to hold that tire) let alone frame size.

    You can get close, but I don't think it's worth the effort or the cost.

    Basically 24-25 pounds is about as light as I think you can "reasonably" get.
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    you either need to change your expectations of weight or price. the rest is doable.
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    I think you could pick up a Gitane TDF for $400 on a good day. A Moto Grand Record. Raleigh Competition. I'm guessing these are sub 25 pounders with no bottles, pumps, etc. on them.

    Try out a vintage set of tubulars on just about any bike and you will feel "lighter" going up hill.

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    My Merckx takes 28c tires, has relaxed(ish) geometry and weighs ~20 lbs. Budget killer though.
    Just sold a 80 Trek 710 that was in the 23lb range that satisfied all of those requirements but was upgraded to a mix of 8 and 9s Ultegra. I think I got about $300 for it?
    Trek Elance sounds like it might be a good bet, but unless you upgrade the components, in your size it won't be under 25 lbs.
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    I'm with mazdaspeed. Not possible with the original constraints. Lugged steel at those sizes can't hit the 23 lbs mark. Since size can't be compromised, and you're dealing with hills...
    I'd search for a vintage Cannondale ST touring frame. It has the relaxed geometry, fit 32mm tires, lighter than steel, and stiffer at your size requirement. To further reach the weight goal, add a CF fork that would be appropriate for an ST frame. It should also aid in the ride characteristics.
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    I think if you're willing to go to around 25 lbs it'll be a lot easier. A 25 pounder is still pretty light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNG View Post
    I'm with mazdaspeed. Not possible with the original constraints. Lugged steel at those sizes can't hit the 23 lbs mark.
    The budget is the only constraint. Twenty pound 62cm lugged steel bikes can be had if you've got a big enough budget.
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    Thanks for all the replies! Some options for bikes to look at, and yes, I think I'd better revise my expectations a bit. The budget is pretty fixed, unfortunately, so I think 25 pounds or less will be a good goal. Any other suggestions are welcomed.

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    If you're going uphill a lot you should forget about 32c tires (good ones are very expensive, grand bois will destroy your budget right there) and go with a high TPI (this affects ride quality dramatically) 25-28c tire. If you accept this compromise you can easily find a light-ish bike in your price range.

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    25lbs and just under that for that size, you will find a good one for that price so pass on the less than perfect ones for a while. A good modern wheelset with an 8speed cog can drop 5-6 lbs off from the stock weight of something less than a race model (like a touring bike), so keep that in mind.

    Not to be rude, please don't misunderstand me, but don't all the young mormon guys ride a bike for about two years on their missions and then put it up in the garage - never to ride again? There must be some nice 1970-80 vintage touring bikes stuck up on the walls of half the garages in Utah waiting for you to make them an offer,...
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    I can think of a few split the difference between the 70's and 80's bikes in my stable:

    Trek 630 with panaracer paselas in 27 x 1.25 or a Peugeot competition with same tires in 700x32. Probably can't do fenders with either with the big tires though, and they are closer to 25lbs with those tires

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNG View Post
    I'd search for a vintage Cannondale ST touring frame.
    Winner!

    I wanted to suggest same, but didn't want to totally poop on the OP's desire. But yeah C-dale ST. Abso-frigging-lutely.
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