Which is more historically significant
06-25-12, 07:16 PM
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Which is more historically significant
Nuovo Record or Super Record?
Both are out of my sphere of knowledge.
Both are out of my sphere of knowledge.
06-25-12, 07:22 PM
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One was really new and the other was super, just super! Beyond that I can't help.
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I would think Nuovo Record, Super Record was just and improvement in lightness and styling.
06-25-12, 07:28 PM
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Nouvo Record was a standard longer- and more of an advancement when it was first introduced in the mid 60's I think. It was the Campagnolo standard among racers and tourists through most of the '70's until Super Record was introduced- Super Record is mostly the same basic designs taken to newer sleeker levels-
I left the sport for awhile when Super Record was still the pinnacle- in my opinion it will always be, and it gets the highest price on ebay-
but the Campy started changing it's lines more in the mid-80's or so, and under much more mass marketing competition from Asian manufacturers.
There has never after been a standard so universally widely used as was Campagnolo Nuovo Record gruppo and components through the 60's and '70's.
I bought my first "full Campy" bike- with Nuovo Record components in 1971 for $400. a decade later a similar bike equipped with all Super Record stuff would have been selling for about $1200- Mostly a demand kind of phenomena
I left the sport for awhile when Super Record was still the pinnacle- in my opinion it will always be, and it gets the highest price on ebay-
but the Campy started changing it's lines more in the mid-80's or so, and under much more mass marketing competition from Asian manufacturers.
There has never after been a standard so universally widely used as was Campagnolo Nuovo Record gruppo and components through the 60's and '70's.
I bought my first "full Campy" bike- with Nuovo Record components in 1971 for $400. a decade later a similar bike equipped with all Super Record stuff would have been selling for about $1200- Mostly a demand kind of phenomena
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That aside, I think I'd have to vote Nuovo being more significant than Super. It was a bigger jump in improvements of the technology. With the possible exception of the use of titanium later.
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Good, you got your root stuff out, bad boy.... Yah Yah.
No because Record used more steel and didn't have brakes- the whole tool system wasn't developed then.
The beauty of Campy was that you could break it all down in minutes using just their own tools.
No because Record used more steel and didn't have brakes- the whole tool system wasn't developed then.
The beauty of Campy was that you could break it all down in minutes using just their own tools.
06-26-12, 06:25 AM
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Did either have a particularly illustrious racing history?
06-26-12, 06:32 AM
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Isn't the SR made from an alloy that incorporated moon dust ?
Seriously, I think both are iconic of there respective periods.....so it's a tie
Seriously, I think both are iconic of there respective periods.....so it's a tie
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An argument in favor of Super Record is that it brought the Ti revolution in component design to the masses.
06-26-12, 06:43 AM
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Harpon is right. With the introduction of the brake set, the Nuovo Record set of components became the first full gruppo ever offered, I think. That is historically significant, I guess.
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Tour de France winners using Campagnolo: Nuovo and Super I suspect.
1968 Jan Janssen (NED)
1969 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1970 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1971 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1972 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1973 Luis Ocaña (ESP)
1974 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1976 Lucien Van Impe (BEL)
1978 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1979 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1980 Joop Zoetemelk (NED)
1981 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1982 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1984 Laurent Fignon (FRA)
1985 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1986 Greg LeMond (USA)
1987 Stephen Roche (IRL)
1988 Pedro Delgado (ESP)
1968 Jan Janssen (NED)
1969 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1970 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1971 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1972 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1973 Luis Ocaña (ESP)
1974 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1976 Lucien Van Impe (BEL)
1978 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1979 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1980 Joop Zoetemelk (NED)
1981 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1982 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1984 Laurent Fignon (FRA)
1985 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1986 Greg LeMond (USA)
1987 Stephen Roche (IRL)
1988 Pedro Delgado (ESP)
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These guys were on C-Record.
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Ooops, sorry. Wasn't sure when the line was. Still, quite a racing heritage for both group sets. And this is only the TdF's. Add in all the Giro wins, etc., and it's impressive.
06-26-12, 09:40 AM
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Tour de France winners using Campagnolo: Nuovo and Super I suspect.
1968 Jan Janssen (NED)
1969 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1970 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1971 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1972 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1973 Luis Ocaña (ESP)
1974 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1976 Lucien Van Impe (BEL)
1978 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1979 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1980 Joop Zoetemelk (NED)
1981 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1982 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1984 Laurent Fignon (FRA)
1985 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1986 Greg LeMond (USA)
1987 Stephen Roche (IRL)
1988 Pedro Delgado (ESP)
1968 Jan Janssen (NED)
1969 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1970 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1971 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1972 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1973 Luis Ocaña (ESP)
1974 Eddy Merckx (BEL)
1976 Lucien Van Impe (BEL)
1978 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1979 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1980 Joop Zoetemelk (NED)
1981 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1982 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1984 Laurent Fignon (FRA)
1985 Bernard Hinault (FRA)
1986 Greg LeMond (USA)
1987 Stephen Roche (IRL)
1988 Pedro Delgado (ESP)
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I vote NR.
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Any particular reason why?
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"Historically Significant" is a label that leaves a lot of room for opinion.
I think Super Record is significant because it marked the last time Campagnolo really owned the high-end market.
I think Super Record is significant because it marked the last time Campagnolo really owned the high-end market.
06-26-12, 11:09 AM
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They're both shiny.
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Hmmmm.... Not one "ITA" after all those names. You'd think the best Italian riders might have gotten an edge over all these guys someway with I suspect the ultra best and greatest components Padova can supply back then.....but I guess the saying "It's the rider not the bike" rings true with this list when taken in the context of Campy equipped winners.
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Hmmmm.... Not one "ITA" after all those names. You'd think the best Italian riders might have gotten an edge over all these guys someway with I suspect the ultra best and greatest components Padova can supply back then.....but I guess the saying "It's the rider not the bike" rings true with this list when taken in the context of Campy equipped winners.
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They are both classics. Nothing held up for as long as the vintage Campy did. I wish the bike industry today would keep a standard system as long as vintage Campy did.
Personally I think Suntour beat the tar out of Campy. The Cyclone is faster and smoother than the NR derailleurs. Maybe not as robust or beautiful but all in all an awesome marvel of 70's technology.
Personally I think Suntour beat the tar out of Campy. The Cyclone is faster and smoother than the NR derailleurs. Maybe not as robust or beautiful but all in all an awesome marvel of 70's technology.
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