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    Threads like this are often a great source of ideas. I thought it would be useful to post a link to a similar thread regarding MTB touring conversions (from the touring forum) as there is some content overlap. It's cool how people are re-purposing these great old frames and I look forward to seeing more.
    I clicked on "view first unread" for this?

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    Made a few changes to the Croll including Midge bars and new cantis.

    The midge bars have some real flaws, the main almost inexcusable one being that they are painted instead of anodized, meaning if you don't want your controls to slither around on the bars you need to take the paint off (I did so with a channel lock wrench) where they are mounted before proceeding. They also don't hold all that well in the stem unless they are really torqued in, and even then I'm doubtful they will stay come some real rough stuff. The drops on the midges are way too short, but still nice for descending. I rode them on the hoods when climbing or on the flats, and in the drops on the descents. Fairly well designed (minus the paint and too short drops) for the dirt. Maybe I can find some sort of champagne cork bar end to make them more tolerable on the road.

    The above said, they'll probably stay on the bike for now as they are better than the road bars I was using. Still searching for the utopian drop bar though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrome Molly View Post
    Made a few changes to the Croll including Midge bars and new cantis.

    The midge bars have some real flaws, the main almost inexcusable one being that they are painted instead of anodized, meaning if you don't want your controls to slither around on the bars you need to take the paint off (I did so with a channel lock wrench) where they are mounted before proceeding. They also don't hold all that well in the stem unless they are really torqued in, and even then I'm doubtful they will stay come some real rough stuff. The drops on the midges are way too short, but still nice for descending. I rode them on the hoods when climbing or on the flats, and in the drops on the descents. Fairly well designed (minus the paint and too short drops) for the dirt. Maybe I can find some sort of champagne cork bar end to make them more tolerable on the road.

    The above said, they'll probably stay on the bike for now as they are better than the road bars I was using. Still searching for the utopian drop bar though

    That is HOT! I am pretty sure the utopian bar is the woodchipper, though I haven't sucked it up and shelled out for one yet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclotoine View Post
    That is HOT! I am pretty sure the utopian bar is the woodchipper, though I haven't sucked it up and shelled out for one yet...
    I rode Ragley Luxy bars and they are outstanding.

    http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com...rs-update.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrome Molly View Post
    Made a few changes to the Croll including Midge bars and new cantis.

    The midge bars have some real flaws, the main almost inexcusable one being that they are painted instead of anodized, meaning if you don't want your controls to slither around on the bars you need to take the paint off (I did so with a channel lock wrench) where they are mounted before proceeding. They also don't hold all that well in the stem unless they are really torqued in, and even then I'm doubtful they will stay come some real rough stuff. The drops on the midges are way too short, but still nice for descending. I rode them on the hoods when climbing or on the flats, and in the drops on the descents. Fairly well designed (minus the paint and too short drops) for the dirt. Maybe I can find some sort of champagne cork bar end to make them more tolerable on the road.

    The above said, they'll probably stay on the bike for now as they are better than the road bars I was using. Still searching for the utopian drop bar though

    Congrats on your build.

    Top notch.

    I'll be doing a single speed Park Pre build that you might like as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gomango View Post
    I rode Ragley Luxy bars and they are outstanding.

    http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com...rs-update.html
    Possibly out of production?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclotoine View Post
    Possibly out of production?
    Definitely out of production.

    I bought my pair on CL from Des Moines last summer for $15.

    Well worth seeking. Imho

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclotoine View Post
    I like all the moc-ups.. and if you're not going to use that black LX derailleur, you know who to send it too

    I also like the moustache set up with the black flite (what was the original saddle btw? looks way older than the bike)
    According to the serial number the frame is an '88. The saddle that came on it was a cheapo with integrated clamp for a steel shaft type seatpost. As far as the RD, it's a SunTour MB accushift, not much count.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7speed View Post
    In my experience with moustache bars (I like them; I've been using them for a few years now), they work best on a stem like the red one. I also like non-aero levers for this use. YMMV, have fun!
    I would have used the red stem myself but there's a 26/25.4 situation (bars 26). I have some MAP/Ahearne bars (modeled after Cinelli Priest) that I prefer non-aero levers on, but thus far I've always ran aero on the 'stache bars.

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    Maybe a woodchipper under the tree this year then...

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    I need of some advice and help from the experts here....
    I was test-fitting parts onto Giant Smurf this morning and discovered a problem that stopped its build in its tracks!

    The frame needs a top-pull, top-mount FD. I had a vintage Deore (DX) endless band type that I thought was ideal for the job. I found out it's for a 28.6mm seat tube, and I have a 31.8mm one...with the end ovalized at the BB. Nothing currently on the market will work....they are all bottom mount style. And an E-type won't work without buying a new cartridge BB. I want to use the Sugino crank with a 42t outer ring, as pictured.

    Does anyone know of a vintage model triple FD that will work with this frame and crank?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrome Molly View Post
    Made a few changes to the Croll including Midge bars and new cantis.

    The midge bars have some real flaws, the main almost inexcusable one being that they are painted instead of anodized, meaning if you don't want your controls to slither around on the bars you need to take the paint off (I did so with a channel lock wrench) where they are mounted before proceeding. They also don't hold all that well in the stem unless they are really torqued in, and even then I'm doubtful they will stay come some real rough stuff. The drops on the midges are way too short, but still nice for descending. I rode them on the hoods when climbing or on the flats, and in the drops on the descents. Fairly well designed (minus the paint and too short drops) for the dirt. Maybe I can find some sort of champagne cork bar end to make them more tolerable on the road.

    The above said, they'll probably stay on the bike for now as they are better than the road bars I was using. Still searching for the utopian drop bar though

    How is the reach to the thumb levers? I've been debating a build like this for a a year or better.

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    Reach to the thumbs is fine, maybe even a little easier than a road bar as the controls are turned a bit making the paddles lower. My only complaint with them now that they're on the bike is that the drops are too short for regular trail riding (but great on descents). The WTB dirt drop looks like a nice bar to me. Woodchipper maybe even better if you spend lots of time on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WNG View Post
    I need of some advice and help from the experts here....
    I was test-fitting parts onto Giant Smurf this morning and discovered a problem that stopped its build in its tracks!

    The frame needs a top-pull, top-mount FD. I had a vintage Deore (DX) endless band type that I thought was ideal for the job. I found out it's for a 28.6mm seat tube, and I have a 31.8mm one...with the end ovalized at the BB. Nothing currently on the market will work....they are all bottom mount style. And an E-type won't work without buying a new cartridge BB. I want to use the Sugino crank with a 42t outer ring, as pictured.

    Does anyone know of a vintage model triple FD that will work with this frame and crank?

    Giant Sedona ATX-033.jpgGiant Sedona ATX-038.jpg
    Yeah most shimano derailleur in the mid 1990s through to early 2000s and even later. I think I have a very newish (9 speed anyway) LX that is 34.9 and top pull, high mount. I would be willing to let this one go and I have the shim to make it 31.8... Is there no pulley mount on your frame? Most of mine have the pulley mount though I would prefer to use top pulls and bypass the pulley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WNG View Post
    I need of some advice and help from the experts here....
    I was test-fitting parts onto Giant Smurf this morning and discovered a problem that stopped its build in its tracks!

    The frame needs a top-pull, top-mount FD. I had a vintage Deore (DX) endless band type that I thought was ideal for the job. I found out it's for a 28.6mm seat tube, and I have a 31.8mm one...with the end ovalized at the BB. Nothing currently on the market will work....they are all bottom mount style. And an E-type won't work without buying a new cartridge BB. I want to use the Sugino crank with a 42t outer ring, as pictured.

    Does anyone know of a vintage model triple FD that will work with this frame and crank?

    Giant Sedona ATX-033.jpgGiant Sedona ATX-038.jpg
    Have you thought about something like this?



    Granted, this is an expensive version, but I've got an old Altus version on my 89 hardrock, so they are out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclotoine View Post
    Yeah most shimano derailleur in the mid 1990s through to early 2000s and even later. I think I have a very newish (9 speed anyway) LX that is 34.9 and top pull, high mount. I would be willing to let this one go and I have the shim to make it 31.8... Is there no pulley mount on your frame? Most of mine have the pulley mount though I would prefer to use top pulls and bypass the pulley.
    Thanks Cyclotoine. I'll keep your offer as a last resort. Knowing how it was to ship internationally between Canada/USA.
    The Giant frame has no pulley, it was using some top pull model. But I was only provided the frame.
    I'll see what I can find first locally. Just need to know what to look for with the right cage profile. If there isn't one that can reach down low enough for a 42t ring, then I'll have to swap over to a larger Deore DX crank. But the Sugino looks better and more matched to the riding terrain I want to use the bike on....tough gravel trails, and some single-track mtb trails that are local to me (Hawes Trail).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JReade View Post
    Have you thought about something like this?



    Granted, this is an expensive version, but I've got an old Altus version on my 89 hardrock, so they are out there.
    As I had stated, that would work, but I would need a new BB to match it. The one for the Sugino crank has the flanged cup on the NDS, and a plastic cup on the DS! Had it been the other way, I could pick up any E-type unit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WNG View Post
    Thanks Cyclotoine. I'll keep your offer as a last resort. Knowing how it was to ship internationally between Canada/USA.
    The Giant frame has no pulley, it was using some top pull model. But I was only provided the frame.
    I'll see what I can find first locally. Just need to know what to look for with the right cage profile. If there isn't one that can reach down low enough for a 42t ring, then I'll have to swap over to a larger Deore DX crank. But the Sugino looks better and more matched to the riding terrain I want to use the bike on....tough gravel trails, and some single-track mtb trails that are local to me (Hawes Trail).
    I decided to have a look around. They still make derailleur that will do the job and inexpensive..

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHIMANO-ALIV...-/331076613971
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrome Molly View Post
    Reach to the thumbs is fine, maybe even a little easier than a road bar as the controls are turned a bit making the paddles lower. My only complaint with them now that they're on the bike is that the drops are too short for regular trail riding (but great on descents). The WTB dirt drop looks like a nice bar to me. Woodchipper maybe even better if you spend lots of time on the road.
    I have Woodchippers on my Fargo and I do like them as all-around bars.

    I often ride to my off road destinations on our city streets. I like how they can be ridden in an upright position.

    Plenty of hand positions and heads up visibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyclotoine View Post
    I decided to have a look around. They still make derailleur that will do the job and inexpensive..

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHIMANO-ALIV...-/331076613971

    Ah NOS still available on ebay! Cool, this one is the right profile too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
    Woo-hoo, another chance to post my Diamondback!



    I'm pretty happy with the conversion overall, but I would like to find some bars with more reach, as I feel a little cramped when in the drops.
    Great looking build. I'm in the process of building one as well but I think I'm going to have exactly the same problem which is that I'll be too cramped in the drops. I'm getting a saddle with a bit longer rails which will help some; I'm probably going to get the selle anatomica nsx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
    Great looking build. I'm in the process of building one as well but I think I'm going to have exactly the same problem which is that I'll be too cramped in the drops. I'm getting a saddle with a bit longer rails which will help some; I'm probably going to get the selle anatomica nsx.
    Thanks, Mig -- you really dug to find this one! This was before I discovered the VO Rando bars I mentioned in your other thread.

    Here's a borderline-salacious comparison shot of the SR Randonneur bars and the VOs, showing how much reach I gained:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThermionicScott View Post
    Thanks, Mig -- you really dug to find this one! This was before I discovered the VO Rando bars I mentioned in your other thread.
    I didn't dig too hard! This was the 2d posting on this thread. I'd forgotten about the VO rando bars; I'll take a look at them. I'm thinking of picking up a selle anatomica saddle in part because the long rails will help with set back. But the stem and handlebar are an issue.

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    This is a 1986 Stumpjumper frame I recently acquired. The original orange paint had been oversprayed and looked pretty bad. Had it stripped and powder coated in Candy Orange by a local outfit, Creative Candy in Dawsonville, Georgia. The base coat is silver with some metal flake added. The frame really pops in direct light. Before powder coating, I had Seth Snyder, a local frame and wheel builder, check frame alignment and braze posts on the downtube for the 105 shifters I will use. The last photo shows some of the parts; new, NOS and used already acquired for the build. Look forward to showing pictures of the completed all rounder sometime in the spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kehomer View Post
    This is a 1986 Stumpjumper frame I recently acquired. The original orange paint had been oversprayed and looked pretty bad. Had it stripped and powder coated in Candy Orange by a local outfit, Creative Candy in Dawsonville, Georgia. The base coat is silver with some metal flake added. The frame really pops in direct light. Before powder coating, I had Seth Snyder, a local frame and wheel builder, check frame alignment and braze posts on the downtube for the 105 shifters I will use. The last photo shows some of the parts; new, NOS and used already acquired for the build. Look forward to showing pictures of the completed all rounder sometime in the spring.
    I like this build a lot, already! Love the DT shifter mod -- what crank do you have in mind?
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    ^^ That looks amazing; would love to see some close ups of the finish in daylight.

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