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Old 12-26-13, 08:43 AM   #2651
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Y'know, I think I have seen that, but didn't think to try it here... I think I'll give it a go today.... But I stiil feel like the bigger problem is the stem's clamp in terms of lateral size, not so much the diameter.... Could be worth a try; I don't see how opening the clamp wider could hurt....

**EDIT**Update: I got it in there, but it was a shameful ordeal, and I gouged up the bars a little bit. (Stress risers? I'm trying to make this a stress-free build, in both a literal and pun-style sense of the term.) Plus, I'm pretty sure that dime is no longer suitable as legal tender, which essentially means I've committed a federal offense. =P But, it' looking pretty hott**, and as I sat astride it (with no cranks and deflated tires, mind you) the fit seems exactly right to me.

So, I'm thinking the original elephant grey paint with (mostly intact!) yellow/pink decals is a nice start; probably going to hang silver components, black tubus racks, navy bags/saddle/bar-tape. So, biggest dilemma now is: what color housing? Pink to pick up the decals, or something more understated (grey or silver)?

**Drop bars on stems with a positive rise never look quite right to me, but the look has grown on me, mostly decause of the first round of drop-bar MTBs. again, I'm mostly making a tourish thing, but it may see some trails from time to time as well.

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Old 12-26-13, 09:56 AM   #2652
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Y'know, I think I have seen that, but didn't think to try it here... I think I'll give it a go today.... But I stiil feel like the bigger problem is the stem's clamp in terms of lateral size, not so much the diameter.... Could be worth a try; I don't see how opening the clamp wider could hurt....
I also could not get the kalloy stem to work either, no matter how much I opened it. I ended up removing material to the sides of the clamp bolt area, but it was a lot of work. I think the stem thrifty bill was suggesting is this:http://www.niagaracycle.com/categori...-x-80mm-silver. I also ended up buying this stem in the 21.1mm quill for another bike:http://www.niagaracycle.com/categori...-1-22-2-silver. The clamp area was more malleable and allowed installing a drop bar much easier than the kalloy. There's no cable hanger on this stem, so you'll need a fork crown or headset hanger. Hope that helps.
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Old 12-26-13, 10:00 AM   #2653
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I think the 26" Surly LHT fork is pretty short. In fact I'm kind of wishing I had used one of those instead of the Surly fork I chose. I may replace it before I cut the steerer tube.
You always have the original fork... finding a stem to fit the 1.125 threaded might be a little tricker although I do have a nice adjustable one I could send you.
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I also could not get the kalloy stem to work either, no matter how much I opened it. I ended up removing material to the sides of the clamp bolt area, but it was a lot of work. I think the stem thrifty bill was suggesting is this:http://www.niagaracycle.com/categori...-x-80mm-silver. I also ended up buying this stem in the 21.1mm quill for another bike:http://www.niagaracycle.com/categori...-1-22-2-silver. The clamp area was more malleable and allowed installing a drop bar much easier than the kalloy. There's no cable hanger on this stem, so you'll need a fork crown or headset hanger. Hope that helps.
Yeah, I just managed to cram it in there, but i feel like a hamfisted lunatic for having gouged the bars a bit. It'll all be hidden under the tape, and I don't think it's going to lead to failure, but still... it's a regret I'll have to live with.

The stop in the stem is a huge deal for me, b/c I despise hangers that sit in the headset stack. I was thinking about the Tektro crown-mounted hanger, but dang... $15 for that? Not a lot of money, but pretty rich considering what it buys. So, I'm glad that I made this Kalloy stem work.

I'm thinking of a true Frankenbuild here.... Parts-bin madness, now that the stem is sorted. The original Shimano at50/mt60 canti/u-brakes with Shimano aero levers, Campy friction DT shifters strapped to kelly take-offs, Suntour XC Expert derailers, Arvon hubs with a 7speed freewheel, etc....
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Old 12-26-13, 10:27 AM   #2655
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Yeah, I just managed to cram it in there, but i feel like a hamfisted lunatic for having gouged the bars a bit. It'll all be hidden under the tape, and I don't think it's going to lead to failure, but still... it's a regret I'll have to live with.

The stop in the stem is a huge deal for me, b/c I despise hangers that sit in the headset stack. I was thinking about the Tektro crown-mounted hanger, but dang... $15 for that? Not a lot of money, but pretty rich considering what it buys. So, I'm glad that I made this Kalloy stem work.

I'm thinking of a true Frankenbuild here.... Parts-bin madness, now that the stem is sorted. The original Shimano at50/mt60 canti/u-brakes with Shimano aero levers, Campy friction DT shifters strapped to kelly take-offs, Suntour XC Expert derailers, Arvon hubs with a 7speed freewheel, etc....
Good deal. That sounds like a cool build (especially the part about U-brakes!). Looking forward to pics.

On a side note: This is one of my favorite threads. Lots of good people sharing ideas and encouragement. I say this after reading a thread in the 41 about some guy doubting his bike and wondering if he was worthy of a new bike, after a snob on a $7000 Cervelo snubbed him. Unbelievable.
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Old 12-26-13, 10:39 AM   #2656
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I can highly recommend the tektro thingy. Makes setting up brakes very easy. I also don't think it's really overpriced; it's a nice solid aluminum thing with a good satin finish and no visible tooling marks and comes with several sets of mounting bolts. Not bad at all for 12€!
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Old 12-26-13, 11:52 AM   #2657
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I made some progress on Christmas Day on 'Giant Smurf'. I have to sort out a problem with an XT RD and it's ready to hit the dry desert.
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Old 12-26-13, 12:11 PM   #2658
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I believe your bars are wrapped both backwards and in the wrong direction.

Should be clockwise on the right, counter-clockwise on the left. Perf holes to the rear, so you wrap holes over solid, not the other way around.

But I dig the blue color, looks like a fun build!
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Old 12-26-13, 12:44 PM   #2659
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^ I followed the Park Tools website instruction, which is opposite of yours. But I always thought it was more intuitive to do it your way. Next wrap job I will do it right=clockwise, left=counterclockwise.

But I don't follow you on the holes over solid....I think that's what I did. And the results would be the same either way.

Thanks! I love this Maui Blue...loud as heck in the sunlight.
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Do you wrap top-down or bottom-up? My directions were intended to be bottom-up, and are based on whether your natural hand movement (from the inside to the outside of the bar) tends to tighten or loosen the tape in the drops. Also important to pay attention to how the tape is wrapped where it crosses the brake lever clamps. Go one way and the tape changes direction, go the other way and it stays in the same wrapping orientation.

If you wrap bottom-up, then wrapping so the holes overlap the solid section gives you a look of 'mostly perforated'. Many tapes are also skived this way so that the finished product is very smooth.
If you wrap so the solid section overlaps the perforations, you get a look with more 'stripes' of solid tape.

Not a big thing (hey it's your bike, after all) but something about the picture made me stop and look more closely, that's when I noticed.

I'm not the handlebar wrap police, I swear.
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You always have the original fork... finding a stem to fit the 1.125 threaded might be a little tricker although I do have a nice adjustable one I could send you.
The only reason I'm not using the original fork is because it lacks fender eyelets, and I'm kind of obsessive about having eyelets. The funny thing is, the frame itself has MUCH better eyelets than my Surly LHT! Although now that I think about it, I suppose eyelets could be added to the original fork relatively easily, and being black it would be pretty simple to repaint just the affected area. I'll have to think this over...
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Finally finished. The XT rear derailleur seems beyond repair, so I installed an XTR RD I had and popped on the chain. Poke a stick in it....Giant Smurf is done. (Began life as a 1994 Giant Sedona ATX. Only the frame remained.)

First a few pics, since we love pics here!
Details will come later.


Giant Smurf-017 by WNG555, on Flickr

Giant Smurf-040 by WNG555, on Flickr

Giant Smurf-029 by WNG555, on Flickr

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Giant Smurf-001 by WNG555, on Flickr

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That is awesome, WNG!

One of the great things about these bikes is the versatility: A) light-ish street/gravel bomber ... B) winter commuter w/studded tires, fenders, rack -- soon to have panniers, too, once school starts up again, and a light mount on the mid-fork eyelet.



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Wow WNG, that looks REALLY good! The fork has a real nice profile too it and the fit looks just dialed. too big to be a regular fit MTB but just perfect as a drop bar... the stem isn't too out there and the proportions are just dialed. Most drop bar conversions do not turn out so aesthetically agreeable.
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Fantastic job WNG!
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Loving the Smurf...always loved that color, (like my Spooky Metalhead originally wore).
Big fan of the Specialized forged cranks too....well done!



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Finally finished. The XT rear derailleur seems beyond repair, so I installed an XTR RD I had and popped on the chain. Poke a stick in it....Giant Smurf is done. (Began life as a 1994 Giant Sedona ATX. Only the frame remained.)
And the bar has been raised! Beautiful bike WNG, enjoy.
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There's a lot to like about the Giant Smurf, but what really catches my eye is the neat cabling.
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Finally finished. The XT rear derailleur seems beyond repair, so I installed an XTR RD I had and popped on the chain. Poke a stick in it....Giant Smurf is done. (Began life as a 1994 Giant Sedona ATX. Only the frame remained.)

First a few pics, since we love pics here!
Details will come later.
Great job on the build. Very cool and looks like a lot of fun to ride.
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There's a lot to like about the Giant Smurf, but what really catches my eye is the neat cabling.
Indeed; you almost have to look twice to notice that therein fact is any cabling. That is saying something.

Everything is gorgeous except that hideous saddle. A remarkable build.
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With all the great inspiration on this thread I had to jump on board:

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^ lugged frame in an awesome color, chainstay brakes, sweet drops.. what's not to like
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wow, thats a great looking bike

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Thanks for the kudos. And to think I found this bike on my front curb a few years ago! Seriously, one Saturday morning I woke up to the sounds of a yard sale across the street. When I took my coffee to the window I saw this guy parked at my curb trying to load this bike into the back of a corolla. I went out to help him get the wheels off when I saw what he had. After I pointed out the bent rear wheel and missing U-brake, I asked him how much he paid for the bike. He said $10 and was thrilled to get $15, a true flipper! It took a couple more under $20 donor bikes and a new Tektro BMX U-brake to get it on the road and has been a blast as a flat bar, but as an old roadie the conversion was only a matter of time.
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^ Sweet Super Grizzly! Just perfect. I like the story too.
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