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    Help ID my bike

    So this is my first time posting, hopefully I'm doing everything right! Anyways, I bought a bike off of craigslist yesterday and the seller was unaware of the frame make. The more I examined the frame, the nicer it started looking. The bike has no markings on it except for Brev Campagnolo stamped on the drops. Oh as you will notice it is definitely a touring frame. Here are some links to pictures:

    http://imgur.com/a/6FGoV
    http://imgur.com/a/VCSPO

    I haven't done any work on the bike yet, hence why it is pretty filthy and unfinished. Anyways, I hope to get to the bottom of this! Thanks!

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    Great detailed pics for a first timer. Thanks for that. Looks great, whatever it is. What size is it?
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    Thanks, I figured bad pictures wouldn't be of much help It's a 57cm. The serial # is 3758235, just in case somebody recognizes the formatting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGustaf View Post
    Thanks, I figured bad pictures wouldn't be of much help It's a 57cm. The serial # is 3758235, just in case somebody recognizes the formatting.
    I'll wait for other to chime in with ID ideas. What top tube length?
    Build a drop bar do-it-all MTB!
    For Sale / Trade:
    1985 Cannondale Road F/F - 56cm ST/56cm TT
    1988 Cannondale SM1000 MTB F/F 20" ST/ 56cm TT
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    Trek 7000 MTB F/F -17" ST/55cm TT
    Alpine MTB F/F - 23" ST/59cm TT
    Ross Hi-Tech MTB F/F - 20" - 21" ST/57cm TT
    Peugeot PR10 Road F/F - 62.5cm ST/60cm TT

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    I'm not sure about the top tube length :/

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    Measure along the side of the top tube from the imaginary center of the seat tube/top tube intersection point to the imaginary center of the head tube/top tube intersection point. Simple as that.
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    Alpine MTB F/F - 23" ST/59cm TT
    Ross Hi-Tech MTB F/F - 20" - 21" ST/57cm TT
    Peugeot PR10 Road F/F - 62.5cm ST/60cm TT

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    My measurements are pretty rough but I believe its around 55cm, give or take a cm.
    Last edited by SirGustaf; 06-28-12 at 02:18 AM.

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    Not sure who the maker was, but it's very nicely done.

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    It almost looks like an early Lotus.

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    This is exciting, hopefully someone can identify it. How common was it to have the pump mount on the top tube like that?

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    The seat post appears to be original. Pull it out and see if it has a date code. If the front and rear wheels are a matching set, they may be original as well; look for date codes on the hubs. Also check the back side of the front derailleur for codes. Finding consistent manufacturing dates will help with the ID.

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    The shorelines look perfect, the points on the lugs look like maybe they were thinned, the eyelets on the fork and the upper eyelets on the rear dropouts appear to be brazed on by the builder. My vote is for an American handmade from the 80's or early 90's. It's a beautiful bike. Enjoy it!

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    No Idea what it is, but its a really cool frame, it just looks like it wants to ride far far away.

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    wayback- The seatpost is campy, not sure if it has a date.. but I'll check. The front and rear rims are matching, nothing special. The front hub is unmarked and the rear is a Suzue. The guy I bought it from told me that the derailleurs were replaced.

    busdriver- What do you mean by shorelines? I think you are right about the eyelets!

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    Just took another look at your pics. The front wheel is a cheapie so no help there. However, the front brake looks old skool and it may be worthwhile to check it for numbers. Last ditch would be to pull the fork out and look for ID markings on the steerer.

    Certainly appears to be a light touring design. I'm guessing someone here is going to recognize that oddball pump braze-on...

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    The front brake is a "Royal Gran Compe 500". The pump braze-on is for sure an oddball and pretty distinct. Does anyone know if getting cantilever bosses brazed-on is an option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGustaf View Post
    The front brake is a "Royal Gran Compe 500". The pump braze-on is for sure an oddball and pretty distinct. Does anyone know if getting cantilever bosses brazed-on is an option?
    I have had cantilever bosses brazed on for me, but i can't remember why anymore. It was an easy job for the welder.

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    Just checked an old pair of Gran Compes I had: no date codes on mine. Have you looked to see if there was another pump braze-on nearer the seat tube that may have broken off?

    If it was mine I wouldn't add brake bosses. That frame is very distinct as-is and alterations would change its character IMO.

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    I checked and there doesn't look like there was another braze-on for the pump. I plan on putting on some dual-pivots when I end up going light touring in August. I agree with you about ruining the character but canti's are so badass!

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    The shorelines are where the lug meets the tube. It's easy to leave little globs or voids as the silver or brass flows through the lug. The production facilities don't have time to get the shorelines just right. The smaller handmade shops do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by busdriver1959 View Post
    The shorelines look perfect, the points on the lugs look like maybe they were thinned, the eyelets on the fork and the upper eyelets on the rear dropouts appear to be brazed on by the builder. My vote is for an American handmade from the 80's or early 90's. It's a beautiful bike. Enjoy it!
    I agree, very nicely made and probably American (or Canadian). That pump peg is nothing unusual, just a rather old-fashioned but stock bit... unusual to find on a frame of this (later) era. But is has some other "old fashioned" touches like the nutted brakes and clamp-on FD, combined with "modern" under-BB cable routing and all those other braze-ons. Clearly this is a custom product.

    You don't have to have a second pump peg if you use a correctly-sized pump compressed so it stays wedged to the TT...little rubber feet on the other end would be crucial, tho.
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    Except for the dropouts being Campy, the frame looks a lot like Ishiwata - perhaps it is a Lotus or a Maruishi?

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    The under BB cable routing, and the fact that the badge must have been glued on (as the head tube's not tapped for rivets) makes me think Japanese. The lugs also look like like your typical, simple Japanese style. Lotus is a good guess as they often used Italian parts and I think some Lotus' were even built in Italy.

    Edit: Now that I think about it, those old Lotus head badges were riveted on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuc View Post
    Except for the dropouts being Campy, the frame looks a lot like Ishiwata - perhaps it is a Lotus or a Maruishi?
    The frame looks very similar to the Maruishi Wanderer, however there are a few differences I've noticed. I used this guys Flickr page to compare with my bike: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slice/s...297451/detail/

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    The pump peg actually tells you something about the bike. It is made for a zefal HP pump which in its day was the best pump made and came in only one size. I have something similar on a custom US bike from the mid-80s (and which doesn't look all that different from yours in some respects).

    This is the pump: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1980s-Zefal-HP-Silver-Metal-Bicycle-Frame-Mount-Pump-/130715252632?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6f3c7798



    This is the pump peg on my bike:
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    Last edited by bikemig; 06-29-12 at 02:07 PM.

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