mapleleafs-13 

can somebody give me some info on them?

Where do they rank in the vintage world? does it have the same prestige as a colnago or masi etc.

I've see these here and there but never really learned about them. They seem to fetch pretty damn good prices on ebay.

KonAaron Snake 

They don't have that prestige, at least not the 10 speed drive imports that you usually see here. They're pretty bikes, especially with the 80s over the top panto. I sold one for pretty good coin, but I'd rather spend the extra $100 and have a De Rosa.

Countdown for Ciocc fans to flame me in 5...4...3...2...

divineAndbright

Are you thinking of Guerciotti? I always found Ciocc to be dressed up pretty simple, one colour typically, albeit some did chrome plating sections. I think they're quite nice though, perfect for the person who can't afford a colnago or pinarello etc.

TimmyT 

Eff off Aaron ... DeRosas are for people who ride their bikes back and forth in their basements.

..... was that what you wanted?

I've got a Ciocc: a 1984 Designer Series. It's the lightest and most stable bike in my fleet (my fleet is not as big as DDs). It needs to get up to speed (>15-17 mph) before it starts to hum. Dead silent, and I haven't given it as much as it can take, so that's in excess of 40 mph.

What are you flipping, Mapleleafs? Post a pic.

BTW, thats a *****ty hockey team

KonAaron Snake 

No - though they were both similar. The Ciocc I had was one color, but it had panto EVERYWHERE. I didn't care much for it as a rider to be honest.

Thank you sir, may I have another? Did I want it? No...was it expected? Sure. You know how it is - we all have bikes we like and don't like. If the question is are Ciocc's as respected as some other brands, the answer is no. I'm sorry - I'm sure you like yours and I'm sure most couldn't tell the difference anyway, but Ciocc doesn't have that wow factor that Cinelli, De Rosa and Masi have for most buyers. Grandis doesn't get that respect from most, but I'd take one any day of the week.

I had a red 84 designer...it was pretty, I'll give it that.

TimmyT 

Just giving you a hard time, Aaron.........
What you do and don't like is your business, just as the bikes you own and sell is yours.

Mine is similar to what you posted except that I have the pantographed chainring but I don't have the pantographed stem. Additionally, mine is brownish-gray, which suits me just fine. The original owner built it himself (Designer's came as a frame only, or so I was told).

This is a heavily chromed bike, and there are some with fades. A few weeks ago, I posted a Ciocc with pink to white fades.

Edit: It looks like you do have a pantographed chainring.

KonAaron Snake 

Timmy - I wasn't offended, I thought your response was funny and appropriate. This did have a panto'd chainring (and brake levers, stem, seatpost, silca, saddle, shift levers and calipers).

cyclotoine

No offense to anyones' knowledge or ability.....but fit is as important as the build quality when it comes to how a bike rides and feels. Aaron, if that is your seat height and you rode it with the original stem then I would venture that it was a tad large and, perhaps, you would have been better served by a frame one size smaller.

jet sanchEz

Some Ciocc models in Canada have "Assembled in Canada" stickers on them, so I guess that they are not officially made in Italy. I have also heard that Marinoni had a contract with Ciocc to make frames for them back in the day but I have no way to know if it is true.

cbresciani

Assembled in Canada and made in Canada are two different things. Frameset and parts could still be made in Italy.

cyclotoine

You mean Marinoni Made Cioccs? I highly doubt this claim. Guiseppe Marinoni brazed the frame joints of pretty much every marinoni up until the mid to late 1990s as far as I know. Yes others were filing, finishing and brazing on braze-ons... but I think he did all the lug joints. I do know the Marinoni made some frames for teams that were re-branded as was common for small builders to do in italy back in the day. I think it was the Levis team that a couple Marinoni's were built for.

ColonelJLloyd 

17th of 108.

And isn't that all that matters?

jet sanchEz

I guess so but without a "Made in Italy" sticker, I am not so sure.

Canada's cycling industry is a weird beast. I have seen Concordes with the "Assembled in Canada" sticker as well and Gardins made with Battaglin lugs.

noglider 

It's subjective. But you knew this, right?

Name recognition is directly correlated with value. That's why Paramount and Raleigh command such high prices. A few smaller brands built some caché, but not consistently or predictably. Here on bikeforums, DeRosa has earned that distinction, but I'm not sure how wide that is.

Sometimes, the smallest frame builder makes frames as good as or better than the best-regarded. But since it's small, it won't be widely recognized.

cyclotoine

Many bikes made today still have this sticker. It is quite literal in it's meaning. The individual parts, including the frames, are shipped to Canada and assembled (usually in Quebec) then shipped to the warehouses/dealers. I think miele might be one of those companies but I have seen these stickers a lot. Cervelos are even still assembled in Canada (well partially assembled anyway).

gomango

I'm coming around on my opinion of Cioccs after seeing some beauties lately.

Saw this one and chatted with the owner at the Nature Valley Grand Prix.

Very nice racing bicycle!

Always thought they rode nicely at speed, but there were so many others that caught my eye before these.





...and I definitely am a fan of Pelizzoli's recent work.

Zaphod Beeblebrox 

Bear in mind that any bike whose name you can't pronounce properly gets extra cool points.

Faggin comes to mind.

DiabloScott

I let my membership in Vintage World Bike Rankings expire... but I recall that Ciocc and Guerciotti were tied.

KonAaron Snake 

This was as photo'd when purchased, not when ridden. That stem was changed out for a correct one and the sizing was the same as my other 55cm'ish bikes. It didn't do much for me. I'm not trashing them...my SLX De Rosa didn't much for me either, but if the question is if these have the prestige as De Rosa, Masi, etc...I think the answer is no. It doesn't mean they aren't good - it just means they don't carry the wow factor for most folks.

There are plenty of bikes I love that 99.9% don't give a rats arse about. Vintage Merlins don't get a lot of love from most but I'll NEVER sell that bike.

mapleleafs-13 

Haven't had a chance to post a pic yet I'll take one tonight or tomorrow.

Regardless of how the leAfs have done in the last few years. Toronto still is the biggest hockey city in the world. Many greats come from toronto, shanahan to Rick Nash, Gretzky lived 50 mins outside of toronto. I bet you cant even play hockey.

TimmyT 

I played for 20+ years between the pipes, and I coached, too. What were you going to bet? I could use another Ciocc.

The problem with Toronto is that everyone is into hockey, but most people don't know a thing about team construction or growth. It's easy to be a critic, and the result is that the team itself suffers from "micromanagement" by the fans and media.

BTW, Gretzky didn't play for the Leafs.

jet sanchEz

Agreed. I recall getting into similar 'discussions' with classmates 20 years ago, everyone used to say "This is their year, I can feel it!". The team owners have zero interest in winning, just making the bucks. I gave up on the Leafs after they couldn't produce anything with a pretty good team back in the early '90s, the management just doesn't want to win. It is a pretty unique management style, that is for sure.

edit: how's that for a derail

JunkYardBike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJHwPqn2jY0

sloar 

I have a Ciocc and as ride quality and build quality goes, it's right up there with my colnago super. It has lots of wow factor with me and that's all I care about.

gomango

Yours is a real beauty.

Easy to see why you like the bicycle.