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Old 08-14-12, 09:29 AM   #1
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New Somec Air Project

I was very happy to finally liberate this Somec from a friends back yard. I offered to purchase as soon as I laid eyes on it, after learning of the bike just a few weeks ago. He agreed to sell only to change his mind when I called the following day to schedule a pick up time. I was crushed. I had to have/save this bike, it had been rotting in his yard for years.
When he agian agreed to sell, after some gentle prodding from a mutual friend, I waisted no time getting it in to my garage.
The bike sports a full ealry C record group, except for the shifters, that are Super Record. Wheels are Mavic GEL 330's with completely rotted tubulars. The perferated Turbo saddle is pretty much toast too. Frame may have been repainted at some time, as there is yellow and maroon paint peeking through a few small chipped areas. Some identifying frame features are the top tube is channeled, on the left side, to route the rear brake cable. Also, the head tube lugs sport an "S", others I have seen online only have a small hole in this same spot.
I would like to be able to determine the model year and see some original paint as well. Any help appreciated.












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Old 08-15-12, 06:04 PM   #2
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So it looks like the white and blue are the original paint after all. Yellow spot turned out to be the remnants of an old decal, and I believe the maroon paint is just the primer showing through. Tear down may start tomorrow, if the garage temp is below 90 degrees. I'm curious to see how the cables get routed through the frame, especially the front derailleur cable.
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Why one would leave such a nice bike just rotting in a yard just boggles the mind.....
I'd like to hate him for doing so,......... but I guess he is your friend and he did sell you the bike to save afterall.....

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One look at the back yard would explain a lot. Full of classic cars in various states of repair and some very nice finished ones too. He's not a cyclist, but he has started to ride with me and a co-worker on Sundays, which is how I met him recently. I don't even know how he acquired the bike. He's like 6-3, so it would have been way too small for him, it's a 55cm - perfect for me. I am just so glad he let me buy it, and I got it for a good price as well.
I'm going to do a complete repaint, with new chrome too. I need to find some more pics of different paint jobs these had - mostly multi-color fades.
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Details look the same as mine which had a "Super Corsa" decal on the non-drive chainstay. I've never been able to correctly date mine, either, but I think '83 to '85 is getting in the ballpark.

This should clean up nicely, and either Super or C Record would be appropriate.

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Details look the same as mine which had a "Super Corsa" decal on the non-drive chainstay. I've never been able to correctly date mine, either, but I think '83 to '85 is getting in the ballpark.

This should clean up nicely, and either Super or C Record would be appropriate.

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The Somec catalog on the bulgier site calls it an Air 2001. I plan on cleaning up the C Record group and reusing it. I have a set of Synchro shifters that I will tryout, but I'm not against reusing the SR's either. The wheels are going to take some work. They have a lot of corrosion at the spoke nipples and eyelets, but they don't have much brake rub and they are straight. I have a near new set of Campy Omegas that I can use as spares, but I definitely want to save the tubis and ride them.

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whoa so nice! great pickup!!
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Great find!!
Check all stamps, lock nuts of hubs, cranks and RD etc etc.

Here is another Somec Air:
http://www.speedbicycles.ch/showBike.php?enr=281
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A little love, and that's going to be a very cool bike. Congrats!
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Great find!!
Check all stamps, lock nuts of hubs, cranks and RD etc etc.

Here is another Somec Air:
http://www.speedbicycles.ch/showBike.php?enr=281
Thanks for the link...that thing is nice.
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Disassembly in process and bless the mechanic that did the original build on this. He used ample amounts of grease and nothing gave me a hard time coming off. The bottom bracket fixed cup is still on, mainly because my Campy wrench is worn and the cup is aluminum. I need to bring home a wrench from work to get it removed without destroying it. Corroded brake hardware cleaned up nicely after an oxcolic acid soaking.
Here's a picture of the FD cable routing through the bottom bracket. A small tube in a "J" that exits through a hole just below the derailleur braze-on. RD cable was run through a teflon tube, to prevent fraying.



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Nice score. Can't wait to see it get all cleaned up and back on the road. Looks like a fun project for sure !
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I'm sorry to say the bottom bracket fixed cup didn't survive the extraction. I'm not surprised though, being aluminum - it was just too soft. I was wondering if anybody knows if a fixed cup from a Super Record bottom bracket has essentially the same dimensions and can be used in place of the aluminum C Record cup? The remaining parts of this bottom bracket are in good repair and I don't want to have to buy a new one if I don't have to.
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Totally different cups. C Record uses more and smaller bearings than a Record ("Super" or "Nuovo") bottom bracket.
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Totally different cups. C Record uses more and smaller bearings than a Record ("Super" or "Nuovo") bottom bracket.
Thanks for the info. I didn't want to buy one and find out, after, that it will not work.
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Visual Progress update: Frame is ready to go to the chrome-plater to be stripped and dipped. I stopped by a guys shop that I have used before, but he wanted a bit more than I expected to pay. I know of another that I will hit on my way home from work and get price for the job.
Here are a few pics of how the C Record group is cleaning up. Unfortunately the extended period of time the bike spent outdoors has taken it's toll on the silver anodizing. But the C Record group can be polished up quit nicely. I need a set of blue stones for the Cobaltos, so I contacted the ebay seller who sells reproductions, that I have used before. I'm still waiting to here back from him. I ordered a set of period decals and after they arrive will make my decision on paint color.


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Another visual progress update. Frame just returned from chrome plaiter. New decals arrived earlier in the week, from Alan Wanta.




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Lookin' good - how much did the chroming set you back? A relatively-inexpensive chrome guy is an asset we should all have the luck to find

Nice job on the polishing, too. Have you determined the color yet?

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Lookin' good - how much did the chroming set you back? A relatively-inexpensive chrome guy is an asset we should all have the luck to find

Nice job on the polishing, too. Have you determined the color yet?

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Chrome wasn't too pricey, the whole job was $150, and he had it done in a week. As far as the color, I'm leaning towards ice blue metallic. Like the Cinelli Lazer, with another accent color at the point tips on the fork and seat/chain stays.
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$150 for a rechrome that didn't polish off all of the details and wreck the thin tubes? That's amazing.

Can't wait to see the paint on this one. I adore restos on these nice bikes that have been really badly neglected.
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Chrome wasn't too pricey, the whole job was $150, and he had it done in a week.
Niiiiice

The ice-blue metallic sounds like just the ticket; here's a similar color on my own (yet to be restored) Somec:



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Niiiiice

The ice-blue metallic sounds like just the ticket; here's a similar color on my own (yet to be restored) Somec:



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Wow, a close match. Interesting differences on your frame compared to mine. Mine has the later seat stay treatment but only one bottle mount, where yours has the earlier seat stays and two bottle mounts.
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Wow, a close match. Interesting differences on your frame compared to mine. Mine has the later seat stay treatment but only one bottle mount, where yours has the earlier seat stays and two bottle mounts.
Yeah, I always thought it was easier to date a frame when you saw two sets of water bottle mounts, but apparently not. Mine also has the same setup as yours when it comes to the internal routing of the derailleur cables. Heck, the "S" engravings, details at the BB shell where the chainstays attach, almost everything but the seatstay attachment at the seatlug is the same.

Mine is crazy-light, too, despite all the chrome. Is yours?

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Just going to ad what has already been said-- beautiful job!
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