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Old 08-17-12, 02:43 PM   #1
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650B Rodriguez Arrow Conversion



650B conversion of a custom Rodriguez Race Arrowhead. I am the 3rd owner of the bike. Tubes are OX Platinum. As you can see the bike is a little bit of the "French Fit" style . I noticed people have been talking about different fit styles lately. It's a 2002 frame and came with a threadless fork. I wanted to blend the old and new a little bit with a quill stem and DT shifters, but using newer parts.

- DA 9s DT Shifters
- DA Long cage RD
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- Ultegra level generic cranks.
- Ultegra hubs laced to 650B Velocity Syngergy rims (built by me) on an 11-32 cassette. I had to reverse the B-Screw to get adequate clearance between the jockey and the cogs. These are the 32mm Maxy Fasty tires. I will switch to either B-lines or Hetres in the future. These are fine for the time being.
- MKS Grip Kings.
- Replaced the carbon fork with a TIG'd Tange Chrome fork. The old fork had some cracks around the crown... I went threaded due to a lack of silver 1" threadless stems. I am probably going to go with a different tange fork that I just picked up. It's a NOS lugged flat crown, but it lacks the fender braze-ons. Is it worth it to go with P-clamps?
- VO Grand Cru threaded cartridge headset. If you don't care about the branding, this is a GREAT headset whether it is threaded or threadless. Highly recommended.
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- Tektro long reach dual pivots.
- American Classic Seatpost.
- Brooks B17 Narrow.

I will choose tape as son as I decide between B17 black or B17 narrow brown (as pictured).

The frame as I got it:




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Old 08-17-12, 06:29 PM   #2
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Sweet ride!!!

Is there enough room for 38-42 tires? I think a flat crown fork with p-clamps would look better than a uni-crown with eyelets, but that's just me. Fenders?

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Nearly spot on. I think a stainless steel bottle cage would make it perfect.
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I think I m going to vote brown saddle and tape. I think it complements the outline on the letters and the natural tires well.
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Nice one.

A small velcro safety strip around the pump / top-tube would be good. Frame mounted pumps can hop out occasionally - if it goes through someone's spokes they'll fall.
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Nice. Why not see if Rodriguez/R+E will build a new fork for you?
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Like this build a lot.

Looks like a great all arounder.

I like the relaxed fit and you probably will as well.

Tape those bars and hit the road!

Also, I think Mudboy has a great idea. The frame is certainly a keeper.
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Nice. Why not see if Rodriguez/R+E will build a new fork for you?
Also, Mudboy are you the builder of those cool bikes in your Flickr?

I'm impressed!
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Also, Mudboy are you the builder of those cool bikes in your Flickr?

I'm impressed!
I am. I'm about to start number four, which will be a KOF road frame.
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I am. I'm about to start number four, which will be a KOF road frame.
Well then, I tip my hat to you.

They are unique, well thought designs.

Very classy, that's for sure.

I'll be a vistor to your Flickr more often.
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Sweet ride!!!

Is there enough room for 38-42 tires? I think a flat crown fork with p-clamps would look better than a uni-crown with eyelets, but that's just me. Fenders?

Cheers,
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You are probably right re: fork. The fork probably can't handle anything bigger than 36mm so that makes the choice easier. I will show some pics with clearances.

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Nearly spot on. I think a stainless steel bottle cage would make it perfect.
I will eventually go with some Iris cages. This is just there for now so I don't get too thirsty on my test rides.

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I think I m going to vote brown saddle and tape. I think it complements the outline on the letters and the natural tires well.
The brown certainly looks better. Of course, it all depends on what fits better. So I far I like the B17N, but I haven't tried a regular B17 in a while and the one I have is black.

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Nice one.

A small velcro safety strip around the pump / top-tube would be good. Frame mounted pumps can hop out occasionally - if it goes through someone's spokes they'll fall.
Yeah, but this has a peg to keep everything in place and the pump is slightly too long for the frame. Putting the pump on takes some technique. It's on there.

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Nice. Why not see if Rodriguez/R+E will build a new fork for you?
Time will decide this. I will run the chrome fork until I know I want this frame enough to get a custom fork.

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Like this build a lot.

Looks like a great all arounder.

I like the relaxed fit and you probably will as well.

Tape those bars and hit the road!

Also, I think Mudboy has a great idea. The frame is certainly a keeper.
Yep. This frame is made for the short commute and trails. Thanks for the kind words.
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Big picture of the bike in case the ads squished the pic in my first post:



CS clearance should be able to go a lot wider.



Fork clearance (this is the unicrown).



Here is the proposed fork. The crown is nice and wide and it looks classier on the frame.

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I will be REALLY surprised if this one doesn't turn into a keeper once it's all built-up. Your parts list is going to make this bike kick some serious a@*! If you end up liking it, I would also vote for a custom fork from R+E Cycles with some rake and tire clearance for 42c with fenders. This will complete the "French Fit" you're looking for.
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I'm looking forward to seeing it with the new fork. I'm not digging the crankset.
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I'm looking forward to seeing it with the new fork. I'm not digging the crankset.
Yeah, unfortunately square taper 165 110BCD cranks are hard to find. I am using 165s on here because 1) I am short and the seat tube on this bike is larger than I usually ride (but the top tube is perfect) and 2) I thought I might need the cornering clearance because of the BB drop, which is still well within range of a conversion, and the clunky MKS Lamdas. However, I do really enjoy riding on external BB cranks. The energy transfer is amazing. I am hoping I can eventually find something like a Sugino Alpina or one of those old school Sugino TA-copy cranks.

I will be rethreading the new fork today. I have to add about 1.5", which will take close to an hour to do... It was fun the first time on the unicrown fork, but I'm not really looking forward to it again.
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The fork isn't threaded? You can't or don't want to run a 1" threadless setup?
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The fork isn't threaded? You can't or don't want to run a 1" threadless setup?
It is threaded, but the threads have to be extended. I'm not sure if there is enough unthreaded steerer to run a threadless for a zero saddle-bar drop. I usually run a couple inches of drop, but I wanted this to be a relaxed all-'rounder.
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However, I do really enjoy riding on external BB cranks. The energy transfer is amazing. I am hoping I can eventually find something like a Sugino Alpina or one of those old school Sugino TA-copy cranks.
I think if you're enjoying the feel of those new shimano cranks you'll likely be disappointed in the feel of a 50.4 BCD crank.

Ive got a build in progress that uses a lot of the same drivetrain parts you're using here. I had it set up with 650B 32's for most of the summer but i didn't feel the fat tire magic like you get with 38-42s...they just kinda felt like a nice pair of 700x28's, which is fine, but for me pointless. Essentially I was getting the downsides of a 650B conversion with none of the benefits of wide tires that i was looking for.

Interesting Build you've got going. Thar be some long chainstays on that little beast!

Hows that Dura-Ace RD workin out with the 32T cog? I was considering trying that but the specs are only for a max of 27T so I didn't wanna push it that far without at least seeing someone else have some luck
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I think if you're enjoying the feel of those new shimano cranks you'll likely be disappointed in the feel of a 50.4 BCD crank.

Ive got a build in progress that uses a lot of the same drivetrain parts you're using here. I had it set up with 650B 32's for most of the summer but i didn't feel the fat tire magic like you get with 38-42s...they just kinda felt like a nice pair of 700x28's, which is fine, but for me pointless. Essentially I was getting the downsides of a 650B conversion with none of the benefits of wide tires that i was looking for.

Interesting Build you've got going. Thar be some long chainstays on that little beast!

Hows that Dura-Ace RD workin out with the 32T cog? I was considering trying that but the specs are only for a max of 27T so I didn't wanna push it that far without at least seeing someone else have some luck
Agreed on the tire width my alternative right now is some CLDVs, which I might throw on if I can hit the trails this summer. I can't decide whether a lower end high volume tire or a higher quality lower volume tire is better. My commute is on a paved MUP so I am content with a 32 for the time being.

The DA RD can clear the 32t on this frame. I had to take the B screw out and reverse it to get the clearance, but all is dandy!

And the CS length is an illusion with that 32mm 650B wheel. It's actually 42.5. This is a race frame with eyelets for fenders and a rack.

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For trails I'd think you're better off with the Col de la Soul. ...but in general I'm a fan of high quality, high volume
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And the CS length is an illusion with that 32mm 650B wheel. It's actually 42.5. This is a race frame with eyelets for fenders and a rack.
Interesting! I was also under the impression you had at least 45 cm CS. I'm also surprised to see that much tire clearance. 42.5 CS should give you that nice "lively feeling" unloaded, but enough to even do some light touring without heel strike. Yeah, I can see why this could easily be an all-'rounder.

I agree with Zaphod that you should definitely look into 38-42c to complete this build. I would definitely go for something sold at Compass. Lucky that they're local for you! The Col de Vie sound like a good option, but once you have it all built-up, I'd suggest taking it to the shop to get their input.

PS. Just went over your build list again. No fenders in Seattle?

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Interesting! I was also under the impression you had at least 45 cm CS. I'm also surprised to see that much tire clearance. 42.5 CS should give you that nice "lively feeling" unloaded, but enough to even do some light touring without heel strike. Yeah, I can see why this could easily be an all-'rounder.

I agree with Zaphod that you should definitely look into 38-42c to complete this build. I would definitely go for something sold at Compass. Lucky that they're local for you! The Col de Vie sound like a good option, but once you have it all built-up, I'd suggest taking it to the shop to get their input.

PS. Just went over your build list again. No fenders in Seattle?
Here is the geo from R&E:

I will definitely be getting fenders! Right now I'm just being stubborn because of the nice weather. That's why I asked about the lugged fork without eyelets

Today I am going to thread the fork and change out the stem to a nitto technomic. As it sits that 3T stem goes just below the bearing cups, which is within the safety limits. The technomic will go deeper to closer to the bottom cup. This, with the added steer tube height, should give it a bit more rigidity. I will also eventually go with a compact bar. Probably the Soma Hwy One.
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Got it!! Man, I can't wait to see your bike all built up!
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