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    1984 Trek 660 Build Help Needed

    So today I made what i believe to be a huge score on a couple of older Trek's.(paid $55 total for both the frames in that link) I have a thing for lugged steel frames so I am going to rob and steal any and all parts i need from all the other bikes in my stable to make this the best riding bike I have.

    Here are the threads on my other bikes for reference of any and all parts I might have available.

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    1986 Schwinn Sprint (lots of parts gonna come off this one I think)
    and any of the parts from my 2 Trek's I picked up today.

    The one thing i'm not sure of yet is if the 660 is freewheel or cassette. I counted 8 sprockets on the rear and it appears to be all close in size as far as the gears go.

    My Thoughts so far are

    All of the Shimano 600 arabesque pieces off the Sprint (shifters, front and rear derailleur)
    The dia compe 500 brakes from the Sprint.
    Bars and Campy Levers Fromt the Sprint
    Campy Crankset from the Trek 2000
    I may have to find another seatpost the campy one in the 660 frame was way way about min insertion and i need it up that high or a little taller for me. (haven't measured yet to see if the one from the 2000 or the Sprint will fit)
    Person's Saddle from my Sprint.
    Pedals from my Sprint.
    Superbe Pro Hub/ Campy Omega Rim Wheelset. (they're the only 700c rims i have avail) although if i could sell them and get something more period correct and fund some nice tires that would be fine by me to.
    As far as rubber goes i'm thinking

    http://www.biketiresdirect.com/produ...-iii-road-tire

    in yellow and black

    Let me know what you think.

    Here's a picture of the 660 as i got it today. All the other pictures are viewable in the threads linked above.

    Last edited by bigwooly; 08-17-12 at 08:48 PM.
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    Your "Other Half" is right, its Ugly. Nothing wrong with liking an Ugly bike if that's what you're into. I mean hey, I like fat girls.

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    Come on, am I going to be the first to say "the fork is bent." Just kidding. Good score.

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    Pretty good chance that hub is F/W, just take the wheel off and look or take a pic.
    I'd say the campy cranks probably were on the 660 originally, just make sure the BB is in good enough shape to swap things over. Also what brakes are on the 660? If they're the original Speedy Modolo those brakes are pretty nice.

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    They are Shimano 600 on the front and SACHS New Success on the rear. The rear brake on the 2000 is the matching 600 brake so i have a pair of Shimano 600 Brakes and one odd ball SACHS New Success rear brake
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox
    Your "Other Half" is right, its Ugly. Nothing wrong with liking an Ugly bike if that's what you're into. I mean hey, I like fat girls.

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    First of all I would not use anything from the Contental the parts simply will not fit. Second the Sprint and rideable and beautiful stay away from it. Also if the 660 has shifter bosses the shifters from the sprint may not fit it.

    If there is a Campi crank on the 2000 check and see which bike has the Campi BB and put that on the 660.

    If you put the 600 brakes on the 660 it looks like aside from bars (which you can get from the 2000) and brake levers you have a complete bike. To my knowlwdge Sachs was the only one who made alot of 8spd FWs but a quick look at the hub will tell for sure. if it is fatter on oneside just inside the flang than it is on the other it is a cassette.

    I think with the parts oyu have from the two Treks and small investment (mostly for a set of shifters and brakelevers) you can have the 660 running without sacrficing your Sprint. I am sure you can swap that 2000 frame (or even resell it) for enough to get some used DiaCompe or shipmano brakelevers and set of friction shifters.




    Also if I was goingto be home anytime soon I would be hinting about that Sachs brake.


    PS I was just looking over the Spriont again and noticed the claw type RD. that will be tricky to get on the Trek so again leave that sexxy bike alone.
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    Went to the co-op to help my Bro-in-law work on getting a working MTB from two trash day curb find bikes. While i was there i was able to get the cranks and bottom bracket pulled from the 2000 and all the BB on the 2000 said that i could find was cro-molly something or another. but nothing about campy. So hopefully that means the campy BB is still on the 660.

    The New Record rear derailleur that is on the 2000 is missing a jog wheel?(i think that's what it's called) But as one of the volunteers was drooling all over it he said that i should be able to get a replacement one for it from a bike shop up the street from the co-op. I'm going to look into that.

    After further inspection i see nothing really wrong with the Shimano 600 levers that were on the 2000 is there any reason i couldn't use them on the initial 660 build up?
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox
    Your "Other Half" is right, its Ugly. Nothing wrong with liking an Ugly bike if that's what you're into. I mean hey, I like fat girls.

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    Took to cleaning some of the parts i've gotten off of the 2000 and low and behold below the dirt and grime of the bottom braket were the original cups and bearings from the 660. The spindle however isn't the matching Campagnolo it simple says cr-mo and some numbers it also appears to be a total loss. to sections of heavy pitting in the races. I'm hoping the two bikes were different spindle widths and the campy one is still in the 660 We'll see how that turns out when i get there.

    I also cleaned up the New Record crankset that was on the 2000. All though I'm thinking I may try to find a full Veloce groupset off the bay and build the 660 with that. Funding will have to come from getting rid of some of my flip bikes so there was also some cleaning and re-packing of hubs for a Raleigh I'm working on. But those are stories for Another thread. Also picked up new tubes and a decent set of used tires for the 660.


    Before



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    Spindle Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox
    Your "Other Half" is right, its Ugly. Nothing wrong with liking an Ugly bike if that's what you're into. I mean hey, I like fat girls.

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    Oh yeah, that spindle is a goner. Should be able to get a replacement, or just replace bb.
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    Ive got a 660 that I bought new in '84. Love it, but a 60cm is just too small for me now. Looking for a 64cm. The rear wheel originally was a Helocomatic (freehub and cassette).

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    I can't wait to build this one up and ride it. Transmission i'm not sure how to go. I'm thinking the campy cranks that came on it and for cost reasons the shimano derailleur setup that was on the frame when i got it.

    Here are the cleaned up and de-rusted re-assembled crankset.




    It had a 600 Tri-Color on the rear and a Golden Arrow front. I have the rear wheel off but don't know how to tell if it's a cassette or freewheel i'll figure it out when i head to the co-op this week and pull it off. For now i'm going to reuse the 600 Tri-Color Brakes and levers that were on the bikes. I've got one of the brakes apart and cleaning it up. The hardware is taking a rust removal bath with some parts from another bike. I'm working on a couple of bikes currently so i'll update as things progress.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox
    Your "Other Half" is right, its Ugly. Nothing wrong with liking an Ugly bike if that's what you're into. I mean hey, I like fat girls.

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    Nice crank. As Bill pointed out that spindle should not be too hard to find. However there were differences in the Campi spindles. Post the information from the back of the spindle and check Vintagetrek.com and see what year your 660 is from so you can get the correct spindle. Also the style of the cups has abit to do with it.

    As for the missing Jockey pulley (the upper pulley is the jockey since it moves the shain, and the lower is the idler since it keeps tension) should be easy to replace as well. If the RD is good shape you may aswell get a set then you can keep the one you have as spare.

    Check ebay and at Oschner International for you spindle and pulleys. Also look at VeloBase to help you figure out just which one you need.

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    Well I finally pulled the 105 Cranks that were on the 660 and behind them hid yet another surprise in this adventure.



    I'm not sure what series it is but it still rolls smooth as butter. So I guess i'll clean on the grime and re-use it in the rebuild.

    I may have a line on some Shimano 600 or 105 downtube braze-on shifters for cheap. So that's the route i'm going to go there. Now the frame is just down to frame fork and headset. Next trip to the co-op i'll pull the headset and start on cleaning the frame and fork thoroughly before starting the build up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox
    Your "Other Half" is right, its Ugly. Nothing wrong with liking an Ugly bike if that's what you're into. I mean hey, I like fat girls.

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    Nice score but I don't think you can use it with your Nuovo Record cranks. They take a longer spindle that is longer on the drive side than the nondrive. Check Velobase. You may be able to swap that for your needed spindle.
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    10-4 thanks for the heads up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox
    Your "Other Half" is right, its Ugly. Nothing wrong with liking an Ugly bike if that's what you're into. I mean hey, I like fat girls.

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    Did some more work on parts for this build last night. I was going to clean the shimano 105 cranks but after pulling the pedals i realized they weren't going to be throw aways. I had originally thought these pedals might be cheap plastic mainly due to the color and look. They weren't they're actually alloy pedals. I'm thinking maybe aluminum. So i began to tear them apart based on the knowledge gained from a 10 minute you-tube video. Here's a side by side of the before and after. When you have never taken something apart and you have a pair always do them one at a time.



    They now are smooth as butter and spin nicely and they feel like they weigh about half what the pedals on my sprint weigh. My 1986 sprint has the same pedals but they are stainless on that one.

    Also ordered a pair of Vittoria Rubino Road Tires in black and yellow today.

    Cleaned and repacked the one set of ball bearings in the Suntour Superbe Pro hubs. all of them were cartridges except the one side just inside the end of the freehub and it was bearings and cones. The freehub was also gunked up and wasn't catching at all to spin the wheel it would spin freely in both directions so i took some degreaser to the outside of it and cleaned out the groove between the back side of the freehub housing and the hub and once i had cleaned the gunk out of there it was working properly again. After letting things dry out for a few days i put some 3-n-1 oil in the same area and worked the hub by hand a good bit. Everything is now spinning and working properly. I will probably work more oil in at least 2-3 more times before this bike is ready to hit the road to make sure everything back there is lubed properly. Spokes, rims, and hubs cleaned up nice. I'll take pictures when the new tires get here and are mounted.

    My Father was given the 1974 Schwinn Continental that i mentioned at the beginning of this Thread and he decided it needed cleaning and waxing and it looks awesome. So i asked him if he'd be interesed in giving the stripped down frame of the 660 the same treatment for me. He was actually excited that I asked him so i dropped that off this past weekend.

    Still got some derailleurs, seatpost, another set of cranks, and one more pedal to clean up and polish. Gonna pull the headset to clean it once the frame is back from dad's.

    Anyways thanks for reading i'll update as things progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox
    Your "Other Half" is right, its Ugly. Nothing wrong with liking an Ugly bike if that's what you're into. I mean hey, I like fat girls.

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    It's a great experience to take a grimy, gritty component apart and make it work like new again. Nice going so far

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    So i'm thinking that i'm going to use all the shimano components on this build rather than try to acquire all the rest of the campy stuff at this time. There are two reasons for that.

    1. cost (i'm broke) getting the spindle for the campy cranks, matching front derailleur, shifters will be way way more than finishing the shimano group
    2. Weight (all of this Shimano stuff is way way lighter)

    My tires came in and i got them mounted.



    I'll get better pictures with the next update.

    Also got the shimano cranks cleaned and bolts de-rusted. Went to the LBS today and ordered the tool i need to put the campy cartridge bottom bracket back in. I figured i may need it again some time. More updates coming soon.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox
    Your "Other Half" is right, its Ugly. Nothing wrong with liking an Ugly bike if that's what you're into. I mean hey, I like fat girls.

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    Okay so i get paid tomorrow i'll be picking up the tool to put in the bottom bracket and i plan to built this up to just get it riding with the following setup. I'll need to snag a chain and cables and housing as well. Trying to source yellow housing and bar tape locally as we speak.

    Shimano 105 Cranks 52/ 39
    Shimano 105 Downtube shifters (picked up locally 15 bucks)
    Shimano 600 tricolor calipers (single pivot)
    Shimano 600 tricolor Levers
    Shimano 105 (golden Arrow) FD
    Shimano 600 Tricolor (short cage) RD
    Campagnolo Seatpost with the Titanium Flite that came with it.
    Black aluminium drop bars that came on the 2000
    Suntour Superbe Pro/Campagnolo Wheelset It's got what i think is a racing cassette on it it's 8 speed like 11/21 if memory serves me right.
    Vittoro Rubino 700x23 in yellow/black


    The Downtube Shifters i picked up are indexed 7/8/Friction I would love to give index shifting a try but i'm sure that i can't use the shimano index shifting with that Suntour cassette. Think there's any chance i can do some trading for an STI or Ergo or even Shimergo setup for this thing? I'd be willing to trade just about what ever i have from the parts bought for this build to get what i need.

    I don't know a whole lot about putting those modern components on my bike from what i've read though most of the modern Cassettes that would run with those setups will cause me to need to respace the rear dropouts on this.
    Anyone have any good sources of info for this kind of project?

    Any help making a shopping list of what all would be needed would be appreciated. I'm guessing the easiest solution would be to either try to sell the campy/ST wheelset and buy or trade for a wheelset that is shimano compatible then i could use the indexing on the shifters i already have. I just don't know what i'd need to work with what I have. How big of a climbing gear would the existing 600 shortcage RD shift? Would i need a similar era 8 speed cassette to work with them or would a modern 8 speed cassette work?

    Sorry for so many questions but the more i think about this build the more confused i get. I know where the build is going tonight and tomorrow evening. However i don't think i'm going to feel like it's finished until i get it setup right for the kind of riding i do. Believe it or not Georgia has more than it's fair share of hills no matter where you ride. Gots to have something to get me up these hills and i don't think 39/21 is going to do it for me i might could live with 39/25 but would prefer something more along the lines of what i have on my sprint my climbing combo on there is 39/28.
    Last edited by bigwooly; 09-21-12 at 06:59 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox
    Your "Other Half" is right, its Ugly. Nothing wrong with liking an Ugly bike if that's what you're into. I mean hey, I like fat girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFC View Post
    Come on, am I going to be the first to say "the fork is bent." Just kidding. Good score.
    No, in this case, the bend is forked!

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    Yellow Bike ribbon vinyl wrap, and yellow cable housings are a MUST for this build. Saddle should be a San Marco Rolls in the black leopardy print too Just my humble opinions.,,,,BD

    Nice score BTW!

    Just an example, don't spend that much on it. They can be had a lot cheaper!

    http://www.bikepartsplace.com/discou...e-rolls-black/
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    So i have it rideable. I opted for the cheaper route on cables for the initial build as i'm pretty sure the drivetrain isn't finalized yet. It was about half the cost to just go with black housings. Haven't wrapped the bars yet either wanted to make sure that riding the hoods was comfy where they are 1st.



    For those interested total cost of this build as it sits today is as follows

    Inital Purchase (with both frames and boat loads of parts) - $55
    Shimano 105 braze-on Shifters - $15
    Vittoro Rubino Tires - $40
    two tubes - $12
    Chain - $13
    Replacement Barrel Adjuster for Rear Brake - $2.00
    Cables and Housings - $27

    at least 7 or 8 hours wearing black nitrile gloves and scrubbing all the bits and pieces with degreaser and the re-assmebly and re lube of all those components
    Free wash, clean, and wax of the fork and frame (Thanks Dad!)

    For a total as you see it of $164.00
    Last edited by bigwooly; 09-25-12 at 10:39 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaphod Beeblebrox
    Your "Other Half" is right, its Ugly. Nothing wrong with liking an Ugly bike if that's what you're into. I mean hey, I like fat girls.

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    Good Job!! It looks great. How does it feel?

    I am curious about your wheels and gear set up. Do you have any good closeups of the cogs? Do you have 7 or 8spds? IIRC there were few Suntour 8spd cassettes back then and I don't think any suntour 8spd freewheels (but I could be wrong). If you have a freewheel it might be possible to easily get a shimano or sunrace 7spd freewheel so you can use your indexing.
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    It's an 8 speed Accushift Plus Cassette. To the best of my research from the early 90's maybe even 1991. It's 8 speed 11-21(maybe 23) I'm going to pull the rear wheel tonight for some close-ups. can't pull the cassette off again till i have access to a pair of chain whips. To remove the cassette body for this model requires two chain whips the 11 tooth cog is threaded on the inside and the rest of it is just sandwiched in place by tightening the last cog. I read an article somewhere about mixing and matching the cogs on these things but i have no clue how to go about taking it apart and am not sure if i could or should.

    I think it's an Accushift Plus Cassette but i can't find any info on one with such a race oriented gearing. There aren't many options but there were Accushift Plus cassettes with much better climbing setups but i think they were all MTB oriented parts.

    There is a shop on e-bay with some singles available along with some full cassettes i'm thinking about ordering the 28t and the 23t rings they have avail individually and having a go at a custom cassette.

    based on some reading on this brochure it seems like both the powerflo and AP cogs will fit on the model i have.

    I've almost given up on getting indexing going on this thing till i can come up with either someone willing to trade Wheelsets for something that is Shimano compatible. Or i can find a full modern ergo/sti/or the likes setup (in my shoestring budget price range) and just swap the whole bike over.

    The other option is to just park this thing for a while with no Wheels and sell the wheelset and then use the proceeds to buy a new set of modern wheels.

    The other concern in customizing the current setup is knowing how big of a cog the 600 tri-color RD will handle. Don't know how or where to find that info. My google-fu has failed me there.
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    Your "Other Half" is right, its Ugly. Nothing wrong with liking an Ugly bike if that's what you're into. I mean hey, I like fat girls.

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    OH OK don't take anything apart on my account. that clears things up for me. As i mentioned I just wasn't certain they actually made 8spd cassettes. I know that was just before their unfortunate downfall.
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    Rear brake cable housing is a little long, and brake hoods are a little too high, but looking good so far. The yellow cables would still make it pop IMHO. You can't beat the total price AT ALL!,,,,BD

    Upon closer inspection, the right hood seems high, and the left only a little high. To get them even find a comfortable height on one, and even them up by looking from the back of the bike behind the saddle and go lower until both top points are just hidden by the bars. Adjust them until both points are hidden by the back edge of the upper bar at the same time. I don't know if anyone else does it this way, but nearly every bike I built until I used this had to be redone. After a few miles you can REALLY tell if one is too low or too high. Rule of thumb is the back flared edge of the hoods should be lever to the ground. That makes them comfortable and not feel "too close" It's all a matter of comfort really, and being able to reach the levers from both the drops and the hoods comfortably as well.
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