Help to identify Vintage English Bicycle. Odd lugs possibly 1958?
Maybe some of you can help with my restoration project? I found this bicycle, and am having trouble identifying the maker.
I cant seem to match the lugs anywhere nor the serial number. Its stamped on the dropout "CS5566". Additionally there is a "101" and a couple "W"'s
The crankset and the cogs are Williams and I think original (cotter pins are so hard to remove) and stamped "AY" which I understand to make them from 1958.
It came with Weinmann Center-pull brakes, which I'm not sure are original.
The wheels included a 1972 three speed sturmey archer hub , but I doubt it is original considering the braze-ons on the frame.
I'm in the process of cleaning and removing all the paint ( It had as many 6 coats of paint on it!!) It is possible the original paint job may have been blue and green? but its VERY hard to tell.
oh and bluemels mudguards
'looks earlier to me. Can we have photos of seat cluster, both drops with a contrasting background, bridges? When you are peeling away layers, check for old "mounting" locations (scratches, gouge, small dents) and carefully feel for nails sticking through the lugs. It looks hearth brazed. The BB lug is interesting. Also a measurement between the badge mounting holes would be helpful if convenient.
That is tight chainring sizing -- 49-47? I have always liked 49-46, which provides a great half-step progression with 14-16-18-20-23 in back.
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What are the braze-ons on the frame, that make you doubt the originality of the three speed hub? No doubt you are right, I just can't see them very well. The double chain ring also argues against the three speed.
Can you show a photo of the Weinmann brakes and levers?
Well, the standing expert on old British frames is Norris Lockley, who is most easily found on the CR list. That said, I know he is away in France for the coming month or so. He is frequently out of touch while there. Still, you could post this to the classic rendezvous list-serve (firstname.lastname@example.org). There are a few other British frame experts there, too.
Keep us posted on what you discover. It's an interesting frame.
1959 Hilton Wrigley Connoisseur (still my favorite!)
1963 Hetchins Mountain King (the gravel grinder)
1971 Gitane Tour de France (The War Horse)
1971 Gitane Super Corsa (The Garage Queen)
1980 Ritchey Touring (The Grail Bike)
1984 Tom Ritchey Team Competition (NOS show bike)
(replacing the stolen 1981 Tom Ritchey Everest custom)
1985 ALAN Record (Glued & Screwed. A gift.)