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Old 08-26-12, 12:10 PM   #1
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Claud Butler Puzzle

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My first post on this forum, so please be gentle with me!
I'm trying to identify my old Claud Butler, but so far the serial number and headbadge seem to be posing more questions than answers. Any help would be appreciated.
I bought the bike about 1967 from the brother of a schoolfriend. It was probably original but very scruffy and in those days it was just an old bike to be done up, which I did with the limited funds available to a schoolboy. As a result, all the original fittings have long gone - all I have left is the frame, forks, and perhaps the original bars and stem. I haven't ridden it for about 20 years, having moved onto mountain bikes, but have finally decided to restore it. But first I'd like to find out exactly what it is!
It's a brazed frame with the serial number 762288 6349 stamped on both the bottom bracket and the steerer tube. Having read various articles on the subject, this doesn't seem to fit with the standard numbering system used by CB.
The headbadge is also a puzzle. Rather than being a pressed fitting it is flat, with the normal logo etc etched onto the surface. I have read of a few etched badges produced immediately after the war but these are described as 'tinplate' whereas mine seems to be brass.
I have attempted to attach some detailed photographs and any suggestions as to the likely year and model would be most appreciated.

Thanks, John
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Old 08-26-12, 04:09 PM   #2
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wow its a beauty and something ive always lusted after! a fillet brazed butler
i dont know anything just drooling over it

if you ever want to sell let me know!
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Old 08-26-12, 04:23 PM   #3
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+1 on that, however you should check out http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/ There are many great, friendly chaps there who would be happy to help and give you plenty of interesting information. It looks to me to be an early 50's build, and amazingly beautiful as well!!! Try this one as well: http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/
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Sorry I cannot provide additional information, but I do like the frame!
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Georgeous frame. Would look great as a fixed gear city bike. OK, just teasing!
Sorry don't know any more about it that you do. Thx for posting.
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you probably have seen the '49 catalogue at Nick Kilgariff's site:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nkilgariff/
I bet this goes back to about that era, seems to have the "13" seat cluster and typical twin-plate style fork crown of a bronze "welded" Claud, only thing that looks unusual is the style of drop-out, not the 'Continental' or perhaps they have had the spears cut down(?)...really a beauty of a frame, in any case!
I am going out of my depth, but it seems to me that something described as "tinplate" would be tin plating over brass (or other base metal) rather than a "plate" of solid tin (which would be very soft material, softer than plain aluminum)...and over time the plating (and paint) would wear away.

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No I hadn't spotted that page of the catalogue, which clearly shows both 'my' seat cluster and fork crown. I've also had a reply to a post on the Retrobike site which reckons the first two digits of the frame number, 76, place it as June 1947. Your suggestion about the headbadge certainly makes sense and I've also just found a photo of a 1949 CB Path which clearly has the same headbadge. So, that just leaves those dropouts. I've just had a close look at them and if they have been cut down, it was done very well. One last puzzle!
Many thanks for your help and to all of you for your suggestions and compliments. All I have to do now is get her back on the road!
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Beautiful frame, repost when you get it built up.
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It was probably a flip/flop fixed/free originally, so nothing to tease about!

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Georgeous frame. Would look great as a fixed gear city bike. OK, just teasing!
Sorry don't know any more about it that you do. Thx for posting.
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Well, I think your right about it being a post war bike. The derailleur cable stops definatley say that it was not a Fixed or flip/flop in it current configuration. I would guess it to be a post '50 All Arounder. Unless you think the stops were added later. Very nice frame, should make a nice build, fixed, IGH or derailleur.
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